iam twu alliance vote

[AMFAinMIAMI]

I am telling what came from the man who wrote the Alliance, he is an IAM Member and a good friend of mine for many years.
 
So why dont you disprove me if you think I am wrong.
 
So why is it a BS Alliance and what is it to you, you wont be voting on it nor does it effect you?
 
Klima is the airline coordinator, he is not the one who wrote or is the go between.

To ALL
 
Here are the names and contacts on the TWU/IAM alliance papers.
 
Jim Little TWU Intl Pres.
 
Sito Pantoja IAM General Vice President
 
Paul Jones USAirways VP of Legal affairs
 
Laura Einspanier AA VP Employees Relations 
 
These are the ones who signed the alliance papers, the following are contacts from top of Document.
 
James Carlson IAMAW and Jaime Horwitz TWU.
 
Do you actually think that these people tell 700UW anything?
 
700UW has told us lots of things he has done and who he knows, LQQK at the document your self folks. 
 
Are we to really believe anything he says "REALLY"

 

[700UW]

Not any of them wrote it, it was written by GLR Tom Regan.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

Not any of them wrote it, it was written by GLR Tom Regan.

This guy wrote the whole document without counsel from the TWU or the IAM and or with out any input from the company? 
 
This guy tells you stuff, now that you have outed him is he still going to keep that info flowing to you? Come on man get over your self. 

 

[dfw gen]

So show the board where you obtained our Jurists Doctorate, since both the IAM and TWU legal department and lawyers said it is legitimage.
 
I know the man who wrote the alliance agreement and you will see when it is filed with the NMB.
 
The vote will be for the alliance or no representation.

ok no representation then. watch what you wish for twu you might get it.

 

[1AA]

OK I am a NO vote as well.

 

[swamt]

He is a Treasurer of the line local 591, he isnt a high ranking TWU International Officer.
 
And you will see who is right and who is wrong, Linda Puchala, knows more than you, I, and the person you sent an e-mail too, yet funny how you wont post that Mike33 got a totally different answer from the NMB than you did, showing I was right as is the IAM and TWU.

Wait a minute 700.  I posted actual "in writing" responses from the NMB.  Mike only posted, what someone has told him over the phone.  Mike I mean no disrespect what-so-ever, however, I will no longer believe anyone that does not offer anything in writing.  Because just like 700 has been doing, people can change their language around to reflect the real outcome.  And someone else out here in forum land loves to do the same thing.  If some one does not provide any evidence by writing and only uses hear say will not be believed to be complete truth in my eyes as both the TWU, IAM, ibt, the company as well as yourself 700, have been proven wrong.  Get it in writing, or at least with undoubted proof to be backed up (not just someones word)  then I would accept someone of proof, but Mike's was simply hear say from a phone call that no one heard, therefore I cannot and will not accept the results he reported.  ALL, each and everyone of my dealings were in writing so that they are not refuted (except by you 700, and only you at this time)  So please by all means sir, take me up on my offer to write the NMB and ask about this alliance vote and who will run it and what is at stake, and even what will be on the ballot as options just like I did and posted for all to see, they are still here on this forum for all to research and see.  If you still refuse to take the challenge and write then we will all know what you are really up to which is scare tactics to scare the membership into this alliance BS.  If you still refuse to do so it will speak volumes.  How about it forum world, would everyone like for 700 to write the NMB and post all the results here for all to see just as I did many many months ago and proved him wrong...

 

[swamt]

He is a Treasurer of the line local 591, he isnt a high ranking TWU International Officer.
 
And you will see who is right and who is wrong, Linda Puchala, knows more than you, I, and the person you sent an e-mail too, yet funny how you wont post that Mike33 got a totally different answer from the NMB than you did, showing I was right as is the IAM and TWU.

Your right.  I had his position confused with some else I am in discussions with. My bad.  But he is an official with the TWU that at least is willing to speak out and tell the truth.
 
THEN WRITE THE NMB AND PROVE YOUR STANCE AS WELL AS THE IAM'S AND THE TWU'S.   C'mn you can do it, or are you scared of the results???   That what I thought, it will speak volumes when you refuse to put it all out there in writing like I did.  Just like the IAM has refused to put in writing.  Question now is will you do it???   I predict no, you won't...

 

[PHXConx]

Thats Ok your partner 700 does it all the time, we are used to it.

Where under the RLA does it say that a Collective Bargaining Agent, or two Collective Bargaining Agents can get together and walk away from representing members if they do not approve of a scheme to divide up the workforce between two Unions and give up all rights to choose who represents them in negotiations?

there has already been a precedent set i posted it earlier CWA and teamsters with the Pax service agents at us airways and America West..  That went through just fine was no conspiracy why is it here?

 

[PHXConx]

 
THEN WRITE THE NMB AND PROVE YOUR STANCE AS WELL AS THE IAM'S AND THE TWU'S.   C'mn you can do it, or are you scared of the results???   That what I thought, it will speak volumes when you refuse to put it all out there in writing like I did.  Just like the IAM has refused to put in writing.  Question now is will you do it???   I predict no, you won't...

are you seriously talking to yourself here?

 

[700UW]

Are you that stupid? Of course IAM and TWU legal signed off on it.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

Gentlemen, this is a post from late last year on this very subject. I suggest if you are unsure of this process, visit the NMB website and read the representational manual that is provided there.  While it is a dry read, it makes clear how the process will work.

 

I cannot emphasize this enough to the members at both AA & US - YOU BETTER UNDERSTAND THE VOTE THAT'S COMING!          
 
There will  be only one vote. The NMB will conduct that vote.
 
Understand - The NMB will only hold elections for those groups/unions that petition them to do so.
 
The IAM alone IS NOT going to petition - The IAM will NOT be on the ballot.
 
The TWU alone is NOT going to petition - The TWU will NOT be on the ballot.
 
The Alliance IS going to petition - The Alliance WILL be on the ballot.
 
Minus an intervenor that can show 50% +1 showing of interest, there will be  only 2 other choices - "write in" or "other" (which still requires 50% +1) or "NO UNION"
 
If you vote "NO UNION" and 50% of your fellow mechanics do as well, both the IAM & TWU will be decertified and you will be without representation.   
 
If you truly want change, sign your cards and have them ready.  When the Alliance petitions it has to be announced and a window will be afforded to would-be intervenors to file.  AA cannot pull another quick file ibt stunt this time, you WILL be able to file your cards if you have them.
 

 

[swamt]

Your right.  I had his position confused with some else I am in discussions with. My bad.  But he is an official with the TWU that at least is willing to speak out and tell the truth.
 
THEN WRITE THE NMB AND PROVE YOUR STANCE AS WELL AS THE IAM'S AND THE TWU'S.   C'mn you can do it, or are you scared of the results???   That what I thought, it will speak volumes when you refuse to put it all out there in writing like I did.  Just like the IAM has refused to put in writing.  Question now is will you do it???   I predict no, you won't...

 

are you seriously talking to yourself here?

Nope.  you only provided part of my post.  If you look at post #172 you will clearly see that I am talking to and refering to 700.  But now he will more than likely use your version of talking to myself to get out of writing the NMB about this alliance vote...

 

[swamt]

Gentlemen, this is a post from late last year on this very subject. I suggest if you are unsure of this process, visit the NMB website and read the representational manual that is provided there.  While it is a dry read, it makes clear how the process will work.
 

If what you posted is true, then that once again proves 700 wrong.  But, if what you posted is accurate then this will be a full blown representational election and not just an alliance election to be held between the 2 unions.  I don't know where you got the posting you provided, but it appears as just another forum blogger posting.  Why doesn't anyone post the writings from the NMB as I have???

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

If what you posted is true, then that once again proves 700 wrong.  But, if what you posted is accurate then this will be a full blown representational election and not just an alliance election to be held between the 2 unions.  I don't know where you got the posting you provided, but it appears as just another forum blogger posting.  Why doesn't anyone post the writings from the NMB as I have???

 
http://www.nmb.gov/resources/docs/
 
The Representation Manual is the 7th bullet point down, see section 19.0 - Merger Procedures
 
I wrote the posting in December of 2013.

 

[PHXConx]

 
Nope.  you only provided part of my post.  If you look at post #172 you will clearly see that I am talking to and refering to 700.  But now he will more than likely use your version of talking to myself to get out of writing the NMB about this alliance vote...

yes but when you ask a question you wait for him to answer you on the other hand asked a question and answered for him thats talking to yourself