IAM Talking Tough at USAirway

[MetalMover]

Hell, the company, with the help of the TWU has us fighting between line maint and overhaul maint!
 
Divide & Conquer!

Well the fighting has been reduced to simply name calling thanks to the increase in OH outsourcing. The line vs oh debate is quickly becoming a non issue.

 

[Kev3188]

one of the favorite tools of a union being challenged for representation is they say "you dont want to change unions during negotiations"

Unfortunately, Fear of Loss is an effective strategy.

 

[bigjets]

Here is some info, the FA's at the new AA, will have a new contract by feb 2015, and if the UAL FA's get a better item in their contract the AA FA's will get that too.

Why is it that the mechs are not respected at either AA or USAir........what are the IAM and TWU doing to be so disrespected?

I say non-union is the way to go. In 1993 we were givin a 5 year top out by AA after the TWU negotiated a 10 year top out in 83.

the TWU negotiated a 1995 concession contract during one of the biggest economical booms in US history. We have only had one good contract and that was the one AMFA negotiated with NWA, which brought up ALL mechanics pay.

 

[bigjets]

one of the favorite tools of a union being challenged for representation is they say "you dont want to change unions during negotiations"  
 
changing unions has no effect on negotiations other than negotiations continue with different union logo and different faces across the table from the company.
 
do not fall for the unfounded fear factors of changing unions during negotiations

This is the perfect time to switch unions at both AA and USAir, then both mech groups can negotiate with the same goal in mind. Either it's AMFA or no union.

I think the IAM wants to do good, but when the unions have the alliance in representing the mechs, I fear that the IAM will be brought down to TWU levels. Instead of tough talk from the union, you will see, "you better vote this contract in or we will lose jobs."

About the only thing I get from the TWU is a calendar every year, but I could get that from the credit union, for free.

 

[Thomas Paine]

As much as you or anyone else wants to think they have a corner on the market, many Americans have faced economic difficulty in their lifetimes including in recent years.

Yep and much of that suffering was caused by people like you, they have to suffer so you can live the way you do. You left delta correct? Retired right? How old are you?

 

[1AA]

Here is some info, the FA's at the new AA, will have a new contract by feb 2015, and if the UAL FA's get a better item in their contract the AA FA's will get that too.

Why is it that the mechs are not respected at either AA or USAir........what are the IAM and TWU doing to be so disrespected?

I say non-union is the way to go. In 1993 we were givin a 5 year top out by AA after the TWU negotiated a 10 year top out in 83.

the TWU negotiated a 1995 concession contract during one of the biggest economical booms in US history. We have only had one good contract and that was the one AMFA negotiated with NWA, which brought up ALL mechanics pay.

Yes we had one good contract or should I say the best of all the Suck A$$ ones. It took the TWU 18 months later to kill that contract and set back labor 50 years.

 

[Overspeed]

 
one of the favorite tools of a union being challenged for representation is they say "you dont want to change unions during negotiations"  
 
changing unions has no effect on negotiations other than negotiations continue with different union logo and different faces across the table from the company.
 
do not fall for the unfounded fear factors of changing unions during negotiations

 
The AA M&R members are under contract and not in negotiations. The US IAM M&R are in negotiations. They the don't change unions concept only applies to US/IAM right? 
 
AMFA really only has a good track record with AMT pay on the line, the tiny amount of overhaul AMTs at SWA making $40 plus doesn't outweigh the loss of all of NWA overhaul and most of line and all of AS overhaul AMTs at OAK. Will AMFA do what they did for the overhaul members at NWA and AS?

 

[Rogallo]

 
The AA M&R members are under contract and not in negotiations. The US IAM M&R are in negotiations. They the don't change unions concept only applies to US/IAM right? 
 
AMFA really only has a good track record with AMT pay on the line, the tiny amount of overhaul AMTs at SWA making $40 plus doesn't outweigh the loss of all of NWA overhaul and most of line and all of AS overhaul AMTs at OAK. Will AMFA do what they did for the overhaul members at NWA and AS?

 
Can the TWU stop it from happening right now at AA ?

 

[Overspeed]

Yep and much of that suffering was caused by people like you, they have to suffer so you can live the way you do. You left delta correct? Retired right? How old are you?

 
Bob how do you keep track of both identities you have?

 

[bigjets]

The AA M&R members are under contract and not in negotiations. The US IAM M&R are in negotiations. They the don't change unions concept only applies to US/IAM right? 
 
AMFA really only has a good track record with AMT pay on the line, the tiny amount of overhaul AMTs at SWA making $40 plus doesn't outweigh the loss of all of NWA overhaul and most of line and all of AS overhaul AMTs at OAK. Will AMFA do what they did for the overhaul members at NWA and AS?

You really are Baghdad bob, the fact of the matter is, NWA offered for a contract, layoff 51% of the work force and a 20% paycut. You are turning into a waste of time to read.

 

[scorpion 2]

 
The AA M&R members are under contract and not in negotiations. The US IAM M&R are in negotiations. They the don't change unions concept only applies to US/IAM right? 
 
AMFA really only has a good track record with AMT pay on the line, the tiny amount of overhaul AMTs at SWA making $40 plus doesn't outweigh the loss of all of NWA overhaul and most of line and all of AS overhaul AMTs at OAK. Will AMFA do what they did for the overhaul members at NWA and AS?

Thats not a contract its called a dead end job! 

 

[MetalMover]

 
The AA M&R members are under contract and not in negotiations. The US IAM M&R are in negotiations. They the don't change unions concept only applies to US/IAM right? 
 
AMFA really only has a good track record with AMT pay on the line, the tiny amount of overhaul AMTs at SWA making $40 plus doesn't outweigh the loss of all of NWA overhaul and most of line and all of AS overhaul AMTs at OAK. Will AMFA do what they did for the overhaul members at NWA and AS?

Have you noticed the trend, OS......Look around the industry.....All the airlines that net BK, have shed great portions of the OH,,,but kept the line people.. Look at the JetBlues and SWA's of the industry.....OH?  You do realize the Airbus will never see OH?  Other new aircraft as well......They will be treated like long term leases and the keys will be turned in for a new model before the OH is due..So what do you think will happen when the current generations of Boeings, including MD's are put out to pasture?
AND IT WILL HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH AMFA.

 

[Overspeed]

Have you noticed the trend, OS......Look around the industry.....All the airlines that net BK, have shed great portions of the OH,,,but kept the line people.. Look at the JetBlues and SWA's of the industry.....OH?  You do realize the Airbus will never see OH?  Other new aircraft as well......They will be treated like long term leases and the keys will be turned in for a new model before the OH is due..So what do you think will happen when the current generations of Boeings, including MD's are put out to pasture?
AND IT WILL HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH AMFA.

 
You make a valid point. All other airlines have shed overhaul in BK and "successful" ones never brought it in when they started. I have heard many state that the TWU scope clause is the worst in the industry. If that's true then why does it keep getting brought up that the TWU should just let overhaul go like the others? 
 
The Airbus will see overhaul. It may not see it in the sense that we are accustomed to. If AA does what US does and airlines like SWA have done for sometime, it will be phased LC.

 

[Overspeed]

You really are Baghdad bob, the fact of the matter is, NWA offered for a contract, layoff 51% of the work force and a 20% paycut. You are turning into a waste of time to read.

 
So AMFA won by going on strike and losing 90% of the work force and a 25% pay cut? Ok.

 

[Overspeed]

 
Can the TWU stop it from happening right now at AA ?

 
The TWU scope clause is based on percentage of dollars. While new aircraft will drove down the immediate need for existing capacity, it will return at some level and based on the percentage, overhaul jobs will be added back. Not so at AS/AMFA, the base is gone for good and there is no language to bring it back.