IAM M&R CONTRACT UPDATE AUG-2013

[usairways_vote_NO]

Hey Tim
 
The drive to Stop this Association and replace it with a union for the mechanics has not stalled at all.
 
With almost all of the AA line stations having a majority of mechanics signed we are again in the battle ground which we call Tulsa. Organizers have for over several months have gone to Tulsa and cards have been signed.
 
The plan is to have enough cards from the Tulsa mechanics to enable a filing at the right time. WE are also looking for the USAirways guys to join with us in this battle to remove the industrial unions from our class and craft.
 
Everyone talks about an August filing simply because that was the month that the NMB terminated the filing last yr by the IBT.
 
It is quiet at most of the line stations since there is nothing more that can be done until the cards are filed with the NMB.
 
What we the AA mechanics want to see now is the T/A not the highlight sheet that the IAM has given to the Mechanics of USAirways.
 
The most important being the seniority integration agreement  this will make or break your T/A. I see a $0.10 increase per hr being added to your IAM Pension is a big thing as well. (for YOU). I understand that the IAM and TWU have agreed to let AA mechanics get into the plan but why would we. Just how long has the plan been in effect and what do you expect to get out of it at the age of the mechanics there.
 
The merging of the two work groups under two unions is going to be a night mare.
But it would only benefit all of us the mechanics of both to be under one union.
 
​We have separate title groups for auto/facilities/utility which we call title 2. The IAM workers will be better served when integrated within that group. The Title 1 aircraft mechanics, cleaners, and parts washers will have there own seniority list as well.
One CAN NOT BUMP the other as the IAM and IBT have done at other carries.
 
All of the above paragraph mechanics are in our class and craft and are per the NMB to represented by the same UNION.  The union (ANY) can't say we don't want them. So when the IAM talks to your NON aircraft mechanics, those that would be in our Title 2 group, and tells them AMFA does not want them that is a LIE. 
 
We still have another Month or so to see where we are with the cards at that point we can determine better if an AUGUST filing will happen. 
 
No matter how good or Bad your T/A is we hope that the USAirways mechanics sign cards to bring AMFA to AA. This way we can get it all worked out as we become a single carrier and work towards a better JCBA for the entire Maintenance Group.  
 
 
AMFA at the NEW AA 2014

 
AMFA,
 
There will be no seniority integration agreement (SIA) in the T/A. I Don't know where you been but the SIA has already been signed by TWU/IAM/USAirways/American Airlines. It is separate of and in no way effected by this T/A or what happens with any or no association.
 
Wanting help with AMFA by US guys?  That is a laugh. The IBT had way more support then your AMFA drive/push does. If you don't have enough cards now you are in serious trouble. If you do squeak by with enough cards to submit. You will lose. I won't debate it with you here. No need just watch and see.
 
Your statement about Title I and II makes no sense but if you are impling putting all US IAM guys in Title II you are seriously delusional. It may better serve you but it ain't gonna happen.

 

[2ndGENAMT]

AMFA,
 
There will be no seniority integration agreement (SIA) in the T/A. I Don't know where you been but the SIA has already been signed by TWU/IAM/USAirways/American Airlines. It is separate of and in no way effected by this T/A or what happens with any or no association.
 
Wanting help with AMFA by US guys?  That is a laugh. The IBT had way more support then your AMFA drive/push does. If you don't have enough cards now you are in serious trouble. If you do squeak by with enough cards to submit. You will lose. I won't debate it with you here. No need just watch and see.

 
Your statement about Title I and II makes no sense but if you are impling putting all US IAM guys in Title II you are seriously delusional. It may better serve you but it ain't gonna happen.

AMFA,
 
There will be no seniority integration agreement (SIA) in the T/A. I Don't know where you been but the SIA has already been signed by TWU/IAM/USAirways/American Airlines. It is separate of and in no way effected by this T/A or what happens with any or no association.
 
Wanting help with AMFA by US guys?  That is a laugh. The IBT had way more support then your AMFA drive/push does. If you don't have enough cards now you are in serious trouble. If you do squeak by with enough cards to submit. You will lose. I won't debate it with you here. No need just watch and see.
 
Your statement about Title I and II makes no sense but if you are impling putting all US IAM guys in Title II you are seriously delusional. It may better serve you but it ain't gonna happen.

You should Be very afraid of our combined agreement if it uses the TWU template as far as Title groups! It only serves the Company and International Officers...

 

[Just Another BK]

10.45% raise and you're still at the bottom. You've been beaten down so long that you think this is a good deal. You guys better hope that your wages rise when you go to single carrier, but something tells me Parker and co. Will have some other excuse as to why they can't.

How is $39.41 at the bottom ? Give some facts, don't just blurt out random thoughts. What drugs have you been taking. I'm pretty sure that wage is comparable or higher than the other big 2. Next years 3% Minimum will break the $40 barrier. Do I wish there was a bump in retirement that we have been hearing for the last two years from IAM leaders. Yes. Do I think we at US Airways deserve a signing bonus. Yes. Back pay to Jan 1. Yes. If you don't like the contract Vote No. But don't think for one second the IBT or AMFA can do much better or change the eventual outcome. 

 

[Just Another BK]

 
JABK
 
It is better to get what you can since you have waited all this time without.
 
But changing Unions for the future will make the transition to a single carrier and a JCBA faster thus making it possible for another raise as well after our (meaning both) cba's become amenable.
 
There maybe some comments made by both AA mechanics and USAirways guys here on this forum but that is to be expected. It will only be beneficial for all of us to be under one Union. represented by ONE UNION, not an association.
 
This association will have us paying different amounts of dues and having different unions representing members at each station. The negotiating team will be made up of IAM&TWU members.  That will make us all wait for a JCBA longer thus giving us another pay freeze. Is that what you want?
 
AMFA at the NEW AA 2014

What pay freeze ? The New TA has built in wage increases and I can guarantee you the IAM/TWU are already discussing the Transition Agreement. By electing AMFA now will only slow that process down further. They will be forced to start from scratch since they have never stepped foot on either property before. 

 

[blue collar]

How is $39.41 at the bottom ? Give some facts, don't just blurt out random thoughts. What drugs have you been taking. I'm pretty sure that wage is comparable or higher than the other big 2. Next years 3% Minimum will break the $40 barrier. Do I wish there was a bump in retirement that we have been hearing for the last two years from IAM leaders. Yes. Do I think we at US Airways deserve a signing bonus. Yes. Back pay to Jan 1. Yes. If you don't like the contract Vote No. But don't think for one second the IBT or AMFA can do much better or change the eventual outcome. 

Not sure where you're getting 39.41 from? I come up with 37 and some change (because I can't remember your differentials- is it .51/.58?) on 9/14. That's a couple bucks shy of 39- unless you're an inspector. Don't know their rates off the top of my head. 37 is better than 34, but don't sell yourselves short.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

 
AMFA,
 
There will be no seniority integration agreement (SIA) in the T/A. I Don't know where you been but the SIA has already been signed by TWU/IAM/USAirways/American Airlines. It is separate of and in no way effected by this T/A or what happens with any or no association.
 
Wanting help with AMFA by US guys?  That is a laugh. The IBT had way more support then your AMFA drive/push does. If you don't have enough cards now you are in serious trouble. If you do squeak by with enough cards to submit. You will lose. I won't debate it with you here. No need just watch and see.
 
Your statement about Title I and II makes no sense but if you are impling putting all US IAM guys in Title II you are seriously delusional. It may better serve you but it ain't gonna happen.

 
USAirways vote NO
 
My statement was that the IBT and IAM have every one in M&R on one seniority list and these unions have told the group that amfa does not want the auto/facilities/utility/ etc.. guys. So don't vote in amafa they will get rid of you. What I was saying we here at AA have both title groups, the seniority is separate and we can't bump you or get rid of you if we switch. Your title 1 will get merged with our title 1, and the others will get merged into our title 2 group. The NMB determines who is represented not the union.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

What pay freeze ? The New TA has built in wage increases and I can guarantee you the IAM/TWU are already discussing the Transition Agreement. By electing AMFA now will only slow that process down further. They will be forced to start from scratch since they have never stepped foot on either property before. 

JABK
 
having one union won't speed up the process? Tell me how having two different will be better? This assoc. has pay raises in place after your contract and ours becomes amendable???? The company agreed to that. The company is going to give us both raises while both groups work out a JCBA? Is that what your saying???
 
Just look at CAL/UAL still no JCBA even as both are IBT. Don't you think that if we work together instead of the infighting it will be faster. CAL and UAL guy can't agree.
 
Do you want to be 6-7 yrs into negotiations a single carrier with NO JCBA?
 
That is a PAY freeze, and since the unions Don't get back pay that is NOT good as well.  Is that what you want?

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

What pay freeze ? The New TA has built in wage increases and I can guarantee you the IAM/TWU are already discussing the Transition Agreement. By electing AMFA now will only slow that process down further. They will be forced to start from scratch since they have never stepped foot on either property before. 

 
JABK
 
The USAirways guys signed IBT cards last yr to get a vote. Since the IAM has been there you would of had the same thing. IBT would of had to start from scratch as well.
 
But I hope you understand that until a JCBA is negotiated the current contracts remain in place and are enforced, by the new union.

 

[Just Another BK]

 
JABK
 
The USAirways guys signed IBT cards last yr to get a vote. Since the IAM has been there you would of had the same thing. IBT would of had to start from scratch as well.
 
But I hope you understand that until a JCBA is negotiated the current contracts remain in place and are enforced, by the new union.

Some US Airways employees did sign cards to let the IAM know they are under the gun to get something done. They were defeated 58%-42%. The IAM started the negotiations pre merger while still being a #5 Carrier and now that Doug can't use that excuse anymore the company finally gave in to some of the wage increases that the Mechanic and Related had given up since 9/11 and deserve going forward. If the U/CTL guys ever get a contract over there and get any increases The AMR/US guys will benefit from any increases that go above the present contracts. All I can say is we are finally getting over the hump with a combined solidly run company for once and its going to be a good thing for all to be No.1 !

 

[Just Another BK]

Not sure where you're getting 39.41 from? I come up with 37 and some change (because I can't remember your differentials- is it .51/.58?) on 9/14. That's a couple bucks shy of 39- unless you're an inspector. Don't know their rates off the top of my head. 37 is better than 34, but don't sell yourselves short.

Inspector yes. Again selling myself short of what ? No Retirement bump is kind of BS, but wages are in range of the other Big 3. 

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

Some US Airways employees did sign cards to let the IAM know they are under the gun to get something done. They were defeated 58%-42%. The IAM started the negotiations pre merger while still being a #5 Carrier and now that Doug can't use that excuse anymore the company finally gave in to some of the wage increases that the Mechanic and Related had given up since 9/11 and deserve going forward. If the U/CTL guys ever get a contract over there and get any increases The AMR/US guys will benefit from any increases that go above the present contracts. All I can say is we are finally getting over the hump with a combined solidly run company for once and its going to be a good thing for all to be No.1 !

 
JABK
 
You have seen what USAiways and the IAM did to the mechanics there and if you read what has happened here at AA with the TWU do you really believe that combined these two unions are going to do us any favors?
 
Both are only interested in keeping the dues coming and that is why the AFL-CIO got involved and suggested this, since there is a no raid clause for all that are affiliated with the afl-cio.
 
Both work groups are at the bottom of the pay scales and they will attempt to keep us there.
 
#1 or #5  all that matters is what each of us takes home to support our families future.
 
It was about our careers but they have taken the fun out of it, at least for most if you read this board.

 

[Topcat187]

I predict the US Airways AMT's will vote yes, and wont have the motivation to support an AMFA drive. The AMT's there have been beaten into submission and the IAM has brainwashed them. Its the equivalent of being locked in cage for 20 yrs, and beaten by your master. Pretty soon this is all you know, and you convince yourself that things cant get any better. 

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

I predict the US Airways AMT's will vote yes, and wont have the motivation to support an AMFA drive. The AMT's there have been beaten into submission and the IAM has brainwashed them. Its the equivalent of being locked in cage for 20 yrs, and beaten by your master. Pretty soon this is all you know, and you convince yourself that things cant get any better. 

 
TC870
 
If they vote Y or N ??? That is a choice they need to make and what is best for them.
 
I just hope that the few who read this board and have seen guys signing cards will talk to AA mechanics at the line stations that both are and find out about the TWU they know about the IAM.
 
Their careers are at stake as well, this IAM/TWU alliance can't happen it will be to the detriment of all mechanics at both AA&US.
 
Sign a AMFA card and lets not let the industrial unions keep our class and craft down any longer.

 

[Vortilon]

Some US Airways employees did sign cards to let the IAM know they are under the gun to get something done. They were defeated 58%-42%. The IAM started the negotiations pre merger while still being a #5 Carrier and now that Doug can't use that excuse anymore the company finally gave in to some of the wage increases that the Mechanic and Related had given up since 9/11 and deserve going forward. If the U/CTL guys ever get a contract over there and get any increases The AMR/US guys will benefit from any increases that go above the present contracts. All I can say is we are finally getting over the hump with a combined solidly run company for once and its going to be a good thing for all to be No.1 !

 
 
Did you watch Doug Parker squirm in the video Q&A session with employees in Philly on Jetnet?  You're AMT's; from what I saw, are not very happy with this TA - that you think so highly of.  The vast amount of AA AMTs support the AMFA, as was found out once the cards were counted last year after the IBT false flag event at the NMB.  The mere fact that both the company and the NMB conspired along with your "one size fits all", unions to keep the AMFA out - makes us want the AMFA even more!  Can't wait to get a real mechanics union in, with a true democratic process.  Open negotiations, no more back door deals, no more lifetime appointments to the international for selling out the membership. 

 

[AP Tech]

Just happened to look at an email announcing an agreement between the IAM and BA after three years of negotiations....the highlight sheet looked worse than the garbage they are recommending to the membership of U!!!  The IAM is getting pretty good at negotiating concessionary contracts!!!