Yes vote for SWA pay with 7 day coverage
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Yes vote for SWA pay with 7 day coverage
Agreed. Again, I don't work for American and have limited knowledge, but from what I understand employees can bid for transfers at anytime provided an opening exists. From managements perspective, perhaps they are afraid once employees in BOS/NYC/SFO/WAS/etc get these increases they may file to transfer. For example, a friend of mine works for a major US bank and relocated from NYC to South FL and the company didn't and cannot lower his salary after the transfer.
Could it be that much of the union leadership and senior members are in places like DFW/ORD/STL/TUL with relatively low price levels that don't want to ratify a modified payscale?
Josh
NYGiantsFan90
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The COLA would only be for when they work in one of the effected cities, try again.
Hopeful
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Thanks for the response. The reason I asked was people who read this forum may get the idea that OH voted this TA down over one issue, in this case the 24/7. I believe that it was overwhelmingly rejected over many issues.
Not working in OH, I don't want to just say "Whats the big deal?" Like many issues, I beleive if the company wants them bad enough, they have to sweeten the pot.
As is typical, this TA gives more in concessions than it does in gains.
787nightmare
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Hopeful...if I were in TULE, I'd vote FOR the 24/7 rule change.
AA needs to make changes in OH, especially if it's going to pay out more money.
People have to understand something...as long as AA makes money, you're going to make money. Negotiated, of course!
Yes, I know AA plays hardball at negotiations...but at least they'd have a ball to play WITH...as opposed to the present balancesheet situation.
AA needs to make changes in OH, especially if it's going to pay out more money.
People have to understand something...as long as AA makes money, you're going to make money. Negotiated, of course!
Yes, I know AA plays hardball at negotiations...but at least they'd have a ball to play WITH...as opposed to the present balancesheet situation.
eolesen
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I guess AMR is smarter than your major US bank. COLA adjustments are location specific and a differential that gets added to your base pay like a license premium or other add-on. Leave that location (or lose the qualification), and it gets taken away.
Hopeful
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I have had two family members re-locate geographically to both Florida and North Carolina and neither of their respective employees cut their salaries. However they were informed that they could forget about getting any increase for quite some time because of the NYC pay scale.
Yet somehow they are solidly profitable and are able to attract and maintain superior talent, all employees enjoy generous benefits including tuition reimbursement, medical and dental even for part-time, 401K matching, charitable gift matching, and of course performance bonuses.
Josh
Would neva happen....too many living above and beyond their means, retirement $$ wouldnt cut it. Too many people rely on OT and CS to get extra $$..especially those near/at retirement age maybe still putting kids thru college.
Sux..I'd love to see it..in all departments, Mech, FSC, hell even the agents..that would be a riot.
I'm sure all line guys would vote for the SWA contract. It might mean less mechs, but when they get recalled it's to a great contract. Also management will have to manage their people better, if they can do that. I have serious doubts that a 24 year old shift manager from Eagle can do the job efficiently.
Article 4 of the TWU title 1 contract addresses this.
"An employee who transfers to or from a station/base/location which has an adjusted starting rate of pay for his classification will have his rate of pay adjusted upward or downward to conform to the rate of pay received by an employee with the same classification seniority as his, at his new station/base/location. Such adjusted rate may not be less than Step 1 nor higher than the maximum hourly rate in the applicable pay scale"
Ken MacTiernan
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NOT if it meant shedding o/h. Our o/h produces a world class product and I do not agree with your comment.
Now I could see the twu peddle such a contract if they could still represent o/h.
I can easily see AA spinning off OH, with the TWU still representing the OH guys at the new company, whether it be AMR services of Lufthansa tech. That is why I think Article 1 pg7 was in the TA.
Our OH certainly is best in the business, but that doesn't put butts in the seats. UAL and DAL, still fills the seats with PAX and makes money doing it without OH. The PAX only cares about the conveyance and cost, that's it. Sorry to say.
Ken MacTiernan
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Duke,
I think if AA wanted to spin off O/H they would have done it already. AA wanted the SMA in the t/a because they want outsourced pay and benefits for AA AMTs because they would then have the best of both worlds... low pay AND control over their product. But they can't have their cake and eat it too. Well, with the twu they are trying but have failed so far.
AA makes a profit with o/h in house even at our current wage. Now, if they only paid us fairly and with respect AA could provide o/h and/or line maintenance and make an even bigger profit. The problem lies in the fact that we have nonairline people running an airline who wish to continue to drink from the "Black Chalice of Greed" at the expense of the employees. Sorry to say.
I agree with your thoughts on this, but I would take it a step further and say that AA maint management is actually working against making a profit with our maintenance operation. Our OH works 5 days a week, planes and equipment sitting idle during the evening, and our line operations does not do 3rd party maint. at Ord anyway. All the infustructure in place and it's not utilized to the best of it's ability.
