IAM grievance hearing today?

[700UW]

The full NC was not part of the language clarification meetings.

It was Harbinson for the company with the assistance of Hemenway.

For the Union it was Giammarco and Freigberger, not sure if Shifano was involved or not.

The meetings took place in DC at CCY.

 

[brokenwrench]

Well the problem here seems to be transparency. THERE IS NONE with the IAM! If there was this debate would be about issues pertaining to the advancement of our craft not who did what with whom. The IAM is and will continue to be a dues paying machine for the few instead of a vehicle for advancing the compensation of the many.

 

[john john]

What is IAM’s time line on the arbitration and if awarded when do the members expect to see the award? And is IAM schedule to negotiate with management before the arbitration hearing? And if so is IAM negotiating with the change of control on the table?

 

[Charlie_Tuna]

What is IAM’s time line on the arbitration and if awarded when do the members expect to see the award? And is IAM schedule to negotiate with management before the arbitration hearing? And if so is IAM negotiating with the change of control on the table?

There is no schedule yet. Could be an appeal. Could schedule Arbitration. No additional transition meeting dates scheduled for maint & related.

 

[delldude]

Sorry Delldude, none of these workers deserved what they got. I'm surprised that a working man can honestly be brainwashed to believe that.
It is appaling and profane for anyone who pawns himself as a working man to have such a potty mouth and say what you said in the face of continuing injustices. Since you think these people deserved what they have gotten then I can only say that you seem 'full blown' IAM because that IS EXACTLY WHAT THE IAM PREACHES and teaches. And please save all the "I did this, I did that" self pontification garbage.

regards,

Dude...wasn't aware you do stand up

Keep your day job please....

 

[Charlie_Tuna]

I have little sympathy for the worker union or non union who won't take charge of their career and is expecting someone else to watch over it.

Regardless whether a union member exercised their right to vote a condition of their employement was to pay the union to represent them.

"A union owes a duty of fair representation to all of the workers it represents. This duty requires that the union act fairly, impartially, and without ill will or discrimination when pursuing a worker’s grievance or when negotiating a new contract with the employer"

 

[allstrike]

I had opportunity to meet over the years several US Local Presidents and frankly Tim if the rank and file shared their dedication and passion the workers at US would not be where they are today.

Bob,there have been many attempts to help this company make more money,big money.We had the certificates and the facilities.We had the people who could do the job.We had a state of the art engine test cell,we had hangers all over the country.
The company just wanted to go with the flow.....and now,well oh well.
We tried to bring work in,3rd party work.Bob fixin planes aint that hard when you have the people we do,we have the best there hands are tied.

And I second what Charlie says,he's right.Ive fought for peoples rights to the point I became a target,it happens to all of us who stand up for each other,so be it.But when your on the front lines fighting you need someone to cover your back.....we dont get that.Thats why you have stewards getting suspended,or just giving up all together.You have to be on the inside to see it Bob. :down:

 

[700AW]

My question is this, since the matter was set for arbitration on feb 27, then shouldn't it resume asap, since the co. lost the bk ruling it essentially did not change the premise and it should start today...

 

[700UW]

They have to sit down and contact Mr Bloch and see when he is free to hear the case.

 

[Charlie_Tuna]

My question is this, since the matter was set for arbitration on feb 27, then shouldn't it resume asap, since the co. lost the bk ruling it essentially did not change the premise and it should start today...

It is my understanding the company can still appeal the court ruling. When the company appealed the Airbus ruling it took approx another 3 1/2 months for company to win the appeal.


You may contact the Aribitrator and find out for us.

Bloch, Richard I.
4335 Cathedral Avenue, NW
[email protected]
202-686-1140
Washington, DC 20016

 

[Charlie_Tuna]

Bloch, Richard I.

Richard Bloch: Arbitrator by Trade, Magician by Hobby

Info

His Webpage

 

[Tim Nelson]

When you have a turnout for an election of 36% like the F/A's did in PHL, the other 64% deserve what they get.

The IAM is the same in that regard, if the worker won't stand up for him/her self through the union they chose then they too get EXACTLY what they deserve.

I had opportunity to meet over the years several US Local Presidents and frankly Tim if the rank and file shared their dedication and passion the workers at US would not be where they are today.

I have little sympathy for the worker union or non union who won't take charge of their career and is expecting someone else to watch over it.

I disagree wholeheartedly and I find your position that workers deserve injustice because of their silence to be unsubstantiated. Justice itself isn't a respector of a person's participation in any phase of life. Delldue's attitude does harm to justice by his statements of error that people deserve to be treated injust.
Justice isn't conditioned on participation. It's not a respector of persons. Someone is either treated rightly or wrongly. Further, don't assume that a worker can take charge of his career by joining a union.

At any rate, this whole matter is deeper than the Local or a particular union. There's a good article in the Chicago Tribune's Sunday Business section where the article talks about how unions have become just another company appendage [article's word not mine].
Earlier in this thread, 700 talked about training. Unfortunately, the training seems to be one of the biggest problems according to UAW activist Paul Baxtor who said, "We've trained a generation of union leaders to be cooperative and they don't know how to fight back." I would second that because everyone I saw that came back from the IAM's indoctrination got IAM'd with techniques that are not 'known' to the blue collar man. The techniques they teach castrate since they are techniques used by white collar.

Baxtor went on to say that "Such cooperation supposedly aimed at saving jobs has become a one way street that erodes union jobs...we're actually cooperating in our own demise...whatever the company says we need to do, the union goes along with it. We've become an enabler, like someone who enables an alcoholic to keep drinking."


The article goes on to say how the Union Bosse$ talk big and stir up all the executive compensation talk, but it's just rhetoric. And how the Unions go into negotiations in a concessionary mode. Todd Jordan added, "They're[union] like the human resources office for the company."

IMO, the translation of all this is simple. The change of control grievance is something IAM members already have according to the union and that is why they are grieving it. It is owed the members. Today, I heard an IAM loyalist say that the company will not hire the 1,000 workers it has said it will hire if it loses the change of control grievance. He also said, other jobs would be lost so it may be better to concede the change of control for lessor pay but perhaps more scope.

Here's my spin, the change of control has already been bought with sweat by IAM members so let them get what they already negotiated. Also, let the company do its business, whether that means hiring an extra 1,000 workers or not. That's their call and that's what the company does.

A couple years ago, the IAm fell for something called MDA in which the company said it would create a new airline with thousands of jobs [dues payers since it involved automatic recognition]. Guess what, it didn't happen.
Company's do what company's do, and it's time that the unions stop worrying about what the company says its going to do, and start doing what unions are suppose to do.

I imagine once the IAM is successful in the change of control grievance, the IAM will enter breakrooms and tell the workers that they had to settle the change of control in concessionary fashion, otherwise the company will start laying people off.

regards,

 

[Charlie_Tuna]

Today, I heard an IAM loyalist say that the company will not hire the 1,000 workers it has said it will hire if it loses the change of control grievance. He also said, other jobs would be lost so it may be better to concede the change of control for lessor pay but perhaps more scope.

Exactly what the union wants to hear..What is the thing the union wants more then higher(to a degree) union dues...thats right..Headcount.

There has been talk that nearly 1000 mechanics could lose their jobs if the change of control is won...will the union really let that happen or quietly negotiate the change of control away? That is the question. I think we know the answer.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Exactly what the union wants to hear..What is the thing the union wants more then higher(to a degree) union dues...thats right..Headcount.

There has been talk that nearly 1000 mechanics could lose their jobs if the change of control is won...will the union really let that happen or quietly negotiate the change of control away? That is the question. I think we know the answer.

Lions, tigers and Bears..Oh my. Such training of cooperation has illigetimated unions, who have become company mouthpieces. A radical shift in the labor movement is needed for solidarity. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear such a thing can exist in a 'self grata' culture.

regards,

 

[fanlube]

Exactly what the union wants to hear..What is the thing the union wants more then higher(to a degree) union dues...thats right..Headcount.

There has been talk that nearly 1000 mechanics could lose their jobs if the change of control is won...will the union really let that happen or quietly negotiate the change of control away? That is the question. I think we know the answer.

There is no doubt the union would love to get more bodies back to increase their payroll, I'm no fan of the IAM but they really don't have anything to do with setting head count levels, contractually I don't think there is much the company can do to get rid of any more mechanics they can't get people to come back or hire them as it stands now, could be the IAM wants you to beleive that if they don't negotiate 1000 could hit the street so they save face who knows. The thing to remember here is the arbitration is no guarantee, so is it better to gamble the whole thing and lose or use it as a tool to get back some of what was lost, some will say we should be able to get back what was lost and be awarded the grievance and I don't disagree when the company continues to make money on the backs of labor the only people rewarded are the execs and thats not right who knows how this is going to play out but it should be intresting please feel free to respond and say what you think will happen!