Feb / Mar 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Keroseneuser]

Will and arbitrator undo what another arbitrator did?

Don't think so.

Thats an interesting position for an APA pilot to take considering what is ahead for our pilot groups.

As it stands NIC list is an unused piece of paper, however if it does get tossed into this new merger it sets several standards which may be hard to avoid. One being that every APA furloughed pilot as of right now is automatically moved to the bottom of the list (including under the airways pilots hired last week) and any slotting that may be used in the coming SLI will be affected by that.

The end result we have right now in the published NIC list is USAirways junior 330 Capt. who was hired in 1981 shows junior to 32 AWA pilots. AWA did not even exist in 1981, they did not come to be until 1983.

How many APA pilots are currently on furlough? And what were their hire years?

The other odd part to buy coming from an APA pilot is the fact that you seem to not be concerned with the fact that under NIC AWA pilots hired in 2000 to 2002 will be moving into slots that will be adjacent to APA guys hired in the mid 80's. Quite the age difference there that no fence can protect you from.

 

[dca319]

Again, the MOU supercedes everything prior once the MTA is in effect. Period.

Do you American guys have a copy of the MOU or I can send you one.

I doesn't supersede an arbitrated list. You can't simply write an MOU and make it disappear. Not that easy. If it was, USAPA would have done it.

 

[Beancounter]

Thats an interesting position for an APA pilot to take considering what is ahead for our pilot groups.

As it stands NIC list is an unused piece of paper, however if it does get tossed into this new merger it sets several standards which may be hard to avoid. One being that every APA furloughed pilot as of right now is automatically moved to the bottom of the list (including under the airways pilots hired last week) and any slotting that may be used in the coming SLI will be affected by that.

The end result we have right now in the published NIC list is USAirways junior 330 Capt. who was hired in 1981 shows junior to 32 AWA pilots. AWA did not even exist in 1981, they did not come to be until 1983.

How many APA pilots are currently on furlough? And what were their hire years?

The other odd part to buy coming from an APA pilot is the fact that you seem to not be concerned with the fact that under NIC AWA pilots hired in 2000 to 2002 will be moving into slots that will be adjacent to APA guys hired in the mid 80's. Quite the age difference there that no fence can protect you from.

Oh hear we go, fear and emotion time. It's worked so well for the east hasn't it? Nothing like ex-furloughed east pilots trying to grab seniority. Gee, you don't have a hidden agenda do you.

Bean

 

[end_of_alpa]

Company's appeal is still in the court system. A simple line in a paper does not simply negate an arbitration. Show me where I'm wrong. USAPA could have done that long ago but didn't so it's obvious you're wrong there. The company still believes it is liable and therefore has not withdraw its appeal.

I still think you'll see the Nicolau appear in the SLI. With the west at the table, I think that's what they're there to make sure of.

You see. I showed you the path, backed up by the evidence. The appeal was just filed in December and there was NO MOU until last week.

At the POR, the company NO LONGER HAS ANY LIABILITY.

You're not that dense....are you? I know YOU don't know anything about the law and the legal effect of the MOU....but you're going to find out. I'll be right in the end.

 

[dca319]

You see. I showed you the path, backed up by the evidence. The appeal was just filed in December and there was NO MOU until last week.

At the POR, the company NO LONGER HAS ANY LIABILITY.

You're not that dense....are you? I know YOU don't know anything about the law and the legal effect of the MOU....but you're going to find out. I'll be right in the end.

Evidence? It's conjecture and nothing more. As I've stated over and over - if it was as simple as creating a document to nullify the Nicolau, USAPA had years to craft language to do so. In all these years, USAPA couldn't even get DOH passed across the table. Wishful thinking on your part at best.

 

[Bill Brasky]

You see. I showed you the path, backed up by the evidence. The appeal was just filed in December and there was NO MOU until last week.

At the POR, the company NO LONGER HAS ANY LIABILITY.

You're not that dense....are you? I know YOU don't know anything about the law and the legal effect of the MOU....but you're going to find out. I'll be right in the end.

He IS that dense.

 

[fatherabraham]

Just opened the Phl vice chair runoff election email from GH.
What a political scam he must be attempting by having the runoff by Taylor & Dubarry.
Guess he figures he can just bypass the majority will among Phl rank & file.
What a piece of work!
He should have NEVER got in office and I am embarrassed for those who voted for him
Once again " something rotten in denmark "

FA

 

[cactusboy53]

Just opened the Phl vice chair runoff election email from GH.
What a political scam he must be attempting by having the runoff by Taylor & Dubarry.
Guess he figures he can just bypass the majority will among Phl rank & file.
What a piece of work!
He should have NEVER got in office and I am embarrassed for those who voted for him

FA

Or.....the Ballot Certificaton Committee is rightfully following the UOM & Constitution & By Laws. Ever think that might be the case? Did you ever think that one of the participants can not occupy a seat due to the UOM, Constitution & By Laws, and as such the next two highest vote-getters are in the run-off?

What a surprise- NOT. Stinking, whiney children. RTFM. It applies to EVERYONE...... Even the Kamp McKleary for Klowns.

 

[Metroyet]

He IS that dense.

You better hope and pray the next Jury/Federal Judge is that dense. You haven't had any luck slipping your BS by anybody yet but one can dream I guess.

 

[Keroseneuser]

Oh hear we go, fear and emotion time. It's worked so well for the east hasn't it? Nothing like ex-furloughed east pilots trying to grab seniority. Gee, you don't have a hidden agenda do you.

Bean

Sorry I dont fall into that catagory.

I was unaware that quoting data directly from the NIC list which you support equates to "fear and emotion time"

Sounds like you are a bit worried that the APA is looking at the data from NIC also.

"east pilots trying to grab seniority" hehe thats a good one coming from a west guy running around with the NIC list in his backpocket. You should do amateur night at the improv!

 

[fatherabraham]

Or.....the Ballot Certificaton Committee is rightfully following the UOM & Constitution & By Laws. Ever think that might be the case? Did you ever think that one of the participants can not occupy a seat due to the UOM, Constitution & By Laws, and as such the next two highest vote-getters are in the run-off?

What a surprise- NOT. Stinking, whiney children. RTFM. It applies to EVERYONE...... Even the Kamp McKleary for Klowns.

Wow - an all mighty west rep speaks and I am to run along as what can an outsider lowly rank / file member know.
GMAFB - just as likely typical union politics to usurp majority will. Do I have the info you have ........hell no.
But I do have an past behavior to go on and I think it smells quite fishy.

FA

 

[Bill Brasky]

You better hope and pray the next Jury/Federal Judge is that dense. You haven't had any luck slipping your BS by anybody yet but one can dream I guess.

Or at least understands the law better than Judge Wake and the westie lawyers. The reason is becuse it's not BS. You wouldn't know, since that appears to be what they're feeding you.

 

[Bill Brasky]

Wow - an all mighty west rep speaks and I am to run along as what can an outsider lowly rank / file member know.
GMAFB - just as likely typical union politics to usurp majority will. Do I have the info you have ........hell no.
But I do have an past behavior to go on and I think it smells quite fishy.

FA

Why was he suddenly ineligible? They didn't say why.

 

[Beancounter]

Sorry I dont fall into that catagory.

I was unaware that quoting data directly from the NIC list which you support equates to "fear and emotion time"

Sounds like you are a bit worried that the APA is looking at the data from NIC also.

"east pilots trying to grab seniority" hehe thats a good one coming from a west guy running around with the NIC list in his backpocket. You should do amateur night at the improv!

You're barking up the wrong tree. It's the list, sorry. As far as supporting it, I've already had west pilots e-mail me telling me to STFU about my opinions on the award, because I don't agree with parts of it. It is the list however.

Bean

 

[dca319]

Why was he suddenly ineligible? They didn't say why.

They did. It's because you're an idiot Bill. What do you think?