Feb / Mar 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Phoenix]

Ted Reed, the fired Charlotte Observer reporter and fired US Airways Employee is really reaching with using Lorenzo the most hated man and the only man to be banned from the airline industry as a source is pathetic. Surprised Chip Munn wasnt quoted too!

Yeah Chip was fired too but in the end he wasn't banned from aviation forums. Lorenzo was obviously more accomplished.. Twenty+ years ago I remember seeing stickers with his name in every urinal at every Air Force Base around the world. Never seen a Chip sticker... But even Chip knew about insignificant small carriers..

 

[Hate2fly]

Trader,
You are hopeless! Doug and Tom love you man!

Hate

 

[traderjake]

You are hopeless! Doug and Tom love you man!

Some people confuse courage with being stupid.

We just won the lottery and you're complaining the jackpot isn't big enough.

 

[dca319]

There is no combined list at LCC, except for the one with DOH with conditions and restrictions. It is also in the company's possession.

That is untrue. The company DOES NOT have a DOH list in hand. The only list accepted to date and confirmed via a letter from Parker as being accepted is the Nicolau. But don't let those facts stop you Bill.

The Company only filed for the DJ to stretch out the Section 6 stuff until they could work out a merger with someone.

The company filed because they wanted judicial cover for straying from the Nicolau. To date they have not gotten it. That's what worries me. Without it, I don't see them moving off the Nicolau for fear of being named in the DFR along with USAPA. They didn't need a filing to stretch out negotiations. Again, don't let facts stop you.

APA and USAPA did an end-run around AOL by putting that paragraph 4 into the MOU. You guys may as well give up and save yourselves some cash.

Again, if it was as easy as putting it on a piece of paper to make the Nicolau disappear USAPA would have done that long ago. Again, BIll, wishful thinking.

 

[dca319]

Which rulings? The ones that say that USAPA can negotiate it's own SLI? Those rulings?

USAPA can negotiate whatever list they want and I don't think that's disputed. It's the repercussion for doing so without the Nicolau that's the issue. Any chance you can post what Silver added to her ruling? Something about painful and ripe?

 

[dca319]

And, there are numerous LUPs.

Let's hear them.

 

[Bill Brasky]

That is untrue. The company DOES NOT have a DOH list in hand. The only list accepted to date and confirmed via a letter from Parker as being accepted is the Nicolau. But don't let those facts stop you Bill.



The company filed because they wanted judicial cover for straying from the Nicolau. To date they have not gotten it. That's what worries me. Without it, I don't see them moving off the Nicolau for fear of being named in the DFR along with USAPA. They didn't need a filing to stretch out negotiations. Again, don't let facts stop you.



Again, if it was as easy as putting it on a piece of paper to make the Nicolau disappear USAPA would have done that long ago. Again, BIll, wishful thinking.

You're an idiot. Just wait and see what happens. That's the last time I'm arguing with the brainless westies. Go get a life.

You aren't cashing any lottery tickets. Ain't happening. Get over it and move on. You are going to have to pay your dues like everyone else.

 

[AAviator]

Would you prefer us to say, "All your widebodies are ours." It's what we bring to the table isn't it? I don't think locking us off those forever is fair, but the guys currently on those aircraft or expected to switch because of aircraft replacement should have the seniority to remain there. From previous mergers I'd be shocked if an arbitrator didn't give credit for those aircraft.

Bean

I'm not saying anyone should be locked off forever. However, the fence should be determined by individual pilot(s) by name on the list vs. a timeline.

 

[cactusboy53]

You're an idiot. Just wait and see what happens. That's the last time I'm arguing with the brainless westies. Go get a life.

You aren't cashing any lottery tickets. Ain't happening. Get over it and move on. You are going to have to pay your dues like everyone else.

Promise?? Technically arguing or debating would imply that you are using logic, reason & law.

The phase: "You aren't cashing any lottery tickets. Ain't happening. Get over it and move on. You are going to have to pay your dues like everyone else." reeks of emotion.

Please keep your promise above....

 

[dca319]

You're an idiot. Just wait and see what happens. That's the last time I'm arguing with the brainless westies. Go get a life.

You aren't cashing any lottery tickets. Ain't happening. Get over it and move on. You are going to have to pay your dues like everyone else.

Idiot? You've yet to post anything worthwhile and have done nothing but pull that crap you post out of your ass. Once again we've set ourselves up for a huge disappointment and morons like you just feed into that. Like LOA 93, we'll be shaking our heads one day and fools like you will be wondering just what the hell happened.

Morons like you have screwed us at every turn.

And great work with your rebuttals. I'm thinking you already know it's the Nicolau and are simply trolling. No one would post the stupidity you posted otherwise.

 

[end_of_alpa]

USAPA can negotiate whatever list they want and I don't think that's disputed. It's the repercussion for doing so without the Nicolau that's the issue. Any chance you can post what Silver added to her ruling? Something about painful and ripe?

You mean added to her order. You focus on the order but it is the JUDGMENT that counts. But no matter. We just finished voting on and approving the MOU, where over %90 of PHX voted for it.

The path outlined in the MOU supercedes the prior US Airways/AWA CBA's, including the T/A.

The MOU outlines a path to the MTA at the ED, then the JCBA, then the SLI.

The MOU now rules.

The company is no longer liable for ANYTHING.

Under the MOU ONLY USAPA and APA negotiate for a SLI, followed by arbitration if unsucessful.

Answer each and everyone of those statements and show ME where I am wrong, if you truly want to have a logical argument.....which I doubt.

 

[AAviator]

Will and arbitrator undo what another arbitrator did?

Don't think so.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Will and arbitrator undo what another arbitrator did?

Don't think so.

Again, the MOU supercedes everything prior once the MTA is in effect. Period.

Do you American guys have a copy of the MOU or I can send you one.

 

[Beancounter]

I'm not saying anyone should be locked off forever. However, the fence should be determined by individual pilot(s) by name on the list vs. a timeline.

I didn't mean it to sound like a snide remark, I was trying to be funny, sometimes I fail. You, Trader, and I seem to be on the same page or at least reading the same book.

What is the basic question we LCC people won't answer?

Bean

 

[dca319]

You mean added to her order. You focus on the order but it is the JUDGMENT that counts. But no matter. We just finished voting on and approving the MOU, where over %90 of PHX voted for it.

The path outlined in the MOU supercedes the prior US Airways/AWA CBA's, including the T/A.

The MOU outlines a path to the MTA at the ED, then the JCBA, then the SLI.

The MOU now rules.

The company is no longer liable for ANYTHING.

Under the MOU ONLY USAPA and APA negotiate for a SLI, followed by arbitration if unsucessful.

Answer each and everyone of those statements and show ME where I am wrong, if you truly want to have a logical argument.....which I doubt.

Company's appeal is still in the court system. A simple line in a paper does not simply negate an arbitration. Show me where I'm wrong. USAPA could have done that long ago but didn't so it's obvious you're wrong there. The company still believes it is liable and therefore has not withdraw its appeal.

I still think you'll see the Nicolau appear in the SLI. With the west at the table, I think that's what they're there to make sure of.