Feb / Mar 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[cleardirect]

No one on this board, including you, is qualified to say how they would merge the lists in anything but a vague way. We don't have enough information. Unless you want to scream DOH, or staple or something else that likely wouldn't produce an agreement.

I am asking for opinions. You easties made a definitive statement that the next merger was going to be a three integration. Making that statement you should have some idea how that is going to work.

You didn't have enough information to say DOH with American but you all said it anyway.

But if you now say that that it may not be a three way that only leave the Nicolau. Progress!

 

[mrbreeze]

I love reading and watching how clear is an expert on EVERYTHiNG and right about EVERYTHING.... Very amusing

Sheldon (CD) at his finest!

Some of you guys may have not seen the sitcom "The Big Bang Theory"......watch it one time and you will understand the resemblance. Unfortunately, not a lick of sense!
breeze

 

[luvthe9]

How many buckets of chicken are you willing to bet the nic will be your new court ordered seniority list by the end of the year? This is assuming a POR of course, without that, you'll never see a contract. Ever. USTUPID is 100% incapable of delivering anything. Next time you see an APA member, thank them for the raise.

Three buckets original, 4 buckets extra crispy a bucket of wings and all the fixins. Your finshed boy.

 

[mrbreeze]

Nice obsession. Just because I don't spend my life here, and you do, is not my problem.

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Sheldon's crack addiction.

 

[Phoenix]

Message board, contract, hand shake whatever. It does not make a difference when or how someone gives their word.

Just shows that you have no integrity that you make a distinction where someone gives their word.

A mans word should mean something. Obviously it means nothing to you.

It is also very telling that you easties are now trying to justify the breaking of a mans word.

Are you really this obsessed, offended, and impatient about someone replying to you on a message board? Me thinks something else is at play here.

 

[mrbreeze]

A small peek into Sheldon's life.....

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

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Any west pilots going to attend the crew news session and grill him about the various legal issues?

Unfortunately, I think, yes. I don't think we'll ever learn.

 

[Pi brat]

Unfortunately, I think, yes. I don't think we'll ever learn.

 

[Black Swan]

How about you show how smart you are and post the accurate and complete statement.

The west is not flying 28% of east flying.

It is easy to be right most of the time when you guys are wrong all of the time. I am simply correcting your errors.

No, you are really not correcting anything. Unless you believe you are omnipotent.
Take the test Clear. You really should. All this infighting aside. Take it for what it is.

 

[Claxon]

Make to my original point. You easties think you are going to get a three way integration. Yet not a single one of you can follow through on how that would work.

Just more fantasy from the land of liars.

If you can't even create a small framework how is usapa going to avoid a law suit and get the arbitrators to accept a three way.

I think we can bury the fantasy of a three way integration for good.

It will not be a three way. There is only APA and USAPA. USAPA will hand over their list and APA will hand over theirs. Then you can sue USAPA over the list that was handed over and sue. Similar to TWA, they sued ALPA for their actions. You have to sue USAPA and the dues payers to USAPA, ten years from now that will be......................?

 

[snapthis]

How about you show how smart you are and post the accurate and complete statement.

The west is not flying 28% of east flying.

It is easy to be right most of the time when you guys are wrong all of the time. I am simply correcting your errors.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

Benjamin Franklin

 

[Claxon]

MEC Chairman’s Message
February 8, 2008
This is MEC Chairman Jack Stephan with a chairman’s message to the pilots for Friday, February 08, 2008.
After nine days of talks between the US Airways and America West Steering Committees, the America West contingent has chosen to stand down talks. At this time they are not prepared to address seniority implementation issues, specifically, mitigating the damages caused by the Nicolau Award.
Recall that we met to determine if we had enough common ground between us on important issues to come up with a comprehensive counterproposal for both MECs to review. As we told you, this counterproposal would have to adequately address not only all open JNC issues, but more importantly for the AAA pilots, pay parity and seniority protection. We came to the neutral site at Wye River, MD with these goals in mind, and within these goals we developed certain thresholds needing to be achieved for the benefit of the US Airways pilots. Despite what you may have heard or read, none of that changed during the meeting.
While we respect what the AWA pilots were there to accomplish, the US Airways MEC’s position remains the same and our MEC’s Steering Committee members did not compromise that position. We never wavered from our goal of protecting you from the Nicolau Award, and our threshold for meeting those goals never changed.
I’ll be calling the MEC into session for a special meeting next week. While there is no comprehensive counterproposal to bring back to the MEC, they'll receive a briefing on the process, and I plan to add two other items to the agenda: developing a distribution methodology for 2007 Profit Sharing and Stock Options and to review an agreement extending the timeframe for filing disputes concerning flow-through issues.
The MEC will now review our options. Keep in mind that the odds of any plan we develop succeeding are greatly diminished by members of this MEC continuing to cower behind their fear of failure and seeking to sabotage any process we elect to pursue. You can see that all of the noise and accusations coming out of PHL Council 41 about the work of our Steering Committee was unfounded and disingenuous. When it came time to meet directly with our AWA counterparts, we did exactly what we said we would, AAA pilots working with AWA pilots trying to mitigate the damages of the Nicolau Award.
Excuses and alibis will not replace leadership. We made a promise, and we kept it. There was no cramdown, no end-run deal, no deal chasing and no back room conspiracies. I hope you did not fall for these contrived ideas spread in order to try and scare you. The majority of this MEC and your MEC officers are not afraid of failure. We said we were going to look under every stone to find solutions and we meant it. My only fear is that some of our MEC fear the search may actually produce something that would require
them to lead rather than criticize. I can tell you that the majority of your MEC was willing to continue the search. Although this process has not worked so far, we are no worse off for engaging in the exercise.
You would have been extremely proud of our team of pilots who met at the Wye River Conference Center. These are men of honor and integrity and they are most importantly, men of their word. Their commitment to the process and to you was rock solid. Threats and intimidation attempts by some minority disenchanted MEC members and paper tigers did not sway these men of honor from pursuing the direction that the majority of the MEC had set. They did their best trying to reach a solution to the Nicolau Award. At this time the AWA pilots are unwilling to address our seniority concerns. Again, we are no worse off for having engaged in this process. We remain right where we started and that is in separate operations with the West.
I thank you for your patience during the past few weeks. I know it’s been difficult. There will be other options at our disposal after the MEC gets the chance to strategize internally next week. While conditions and opportunities may change, the goal has not and our threshold for success has not. Our mission remains the same, to protect you from the damages caused by the Nicolau Award.
Thank you for listening. As always, fly safe and continue to look out for each other.

 

[luvthe9]

"At this time the AWA pilots are unwilling to address our seniority concerns."

 

[Freighterguynow]

This is my opinion of how I would like to see US Airways and American integrate.

How would you do it? Keep in mind that usapa has to represent ALL US Airways pilots fairly. DOH is not fair. Fences are expensive.






I happen to agree with you - date of hire IS unfair to the West.

Frankly I'd like to see a three way merge by straight Length of Service with no fences. I also think it's wrong to staple furloughed pilots to the bottom. They paid a huge price and their contributions to the corporation should be recognised.

As you said, we have to fair so if the furloughed AMR pilots go to the bottom then so do the furloughed West ones too.

I see 2 problems with the Nic award. First, the American pilots were not a party to it and we never got to a joint CBA so it's now rendered null and void. Parker, Kirby and Isom have repeatedly told you West that's how it's going to be.

The second problem is that every West pilot can hold Captain on the East operation using the Nic. So, If you can hold Capt in PHL the day the snapshot is taken then you need to be placed on a merged list able to hold Capt in Dallas too. Don't think that's going to fly over there any more than the last 6 years under LOA 93 were preferable to the East pilots than any contract if it has the Nic in it.

 

[snapthis]

"At this time the AWA pilots are unwilling to address our seniority concerns."

Your perceived seniority is not our concern.