Feb / Mar 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[cleardirect]

USAPA is indeed protecting the seniority you actually earned beginning the day you showed up to work at AWA. It's in the C&B-Ls.

Yes the SENIORITY that was earned. So the captain at 7 years earned the seniority to be a cpatain.

On the east a pilot that was there 17 years earned the SENIORITY to be furloughed.

Who was more senior at your respective airline the captain or the furloughed pilot?

When you integrate two SENIORITY lists seniority is used.

Follow the logic the west captain was more SENIOR than the east furloughed pilot. So usapa has the responsibility to protect that SENIORITY. NOT chose sides and decide to protect east pilots from an arbitration.

 

[cleardirect]

IMHO, the panel can't simply ignore the language in the MOU. So they will consider Nicolau's conclusions, factor in the MOU language, particularly sections 4 and 10-h, sprinkle in 6 years of new developments, USAPA's proposal (which may include a fence between east and west) and craft an entirely new LCC seniority arrangement as a prelude to a larger, consolidated AA/LCC SLI.

Not only do you want a fence between APA and USA. You also want a fences between US AIrways pilots?

Ok What possible LUP would usapa have for asking for a fence between US AIrways pilots? We are all one pilot groupd represented by a single union working on a single certificute.

How do you justify a fence between US AIrways pilots?

 

[cleardirect]

Actually, no.

I thought that was a stupid stunt, too. Although I admire the job Sully did, his being asked to testify was an irrelevant sideshow gimmick. I'm surprised Sully acquiesced to the request.

Yes and it backfired on him. Last time he took a phone from usapa.

Just another person burned for trusting usapa.

 

[snapthis]

"his words spoke volumes more than any of his previous actions."...? Aww....How cute. You didn't like his telling the nicsters to pound sand, so that's the west's "thoughts" here?....That disparaging a buncha' punks little greed-soaked notions, in a lunatic judge's courtroom/circus somehow diminishes his prior actions?....Seriously? Grow Up!

Did you just call me a punk?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etBoJJ0GZI8

I grew up in the 60's and 70's. Completed a Degree in Finance, owned two companies prior to my 25th birthday. Been married a quarter century. I'm hardly a punk.

 

[cleardirect]

Did you just call me a punk?

http://m.youtube.com...h?v=etBoJJ0GZI8

I grew up in the 60's and 70's. Completed a Degree in Finance, owned two companies prior to my 25th birthday. Been married a quarter century. I'm hardly a punk.

The ignore function works well. No need wasting your time reading the same post over and over. " punk, childish, grow up, lunitic judge", ect, ect ,ect

Eventually he will be arguing with himself.

 

[Metroyet]

"his words spoke volumes more than any of his previous actions."...? Aww....How cute. You didn't like his telling the nicsters to pound sand, so that's the west's "thoughts" here?....That disparaging a buncha' punks little greed-soaked notions, in a lunatic judge's courtroom/circus somehow diminishes his prior actions?....Seriously? Grow Up!

I think what was so offensive was his willingness to fabricate a BS tale under oath. The "moral" of the story was that it was OK break the law if you get really pissed off. It's really the RIGHT thing to do to use an illegal, unfair advantage to destroy the careers of the innocent pilots that saved you from the unemployment line. It's actually the MORAL thing to do...to renege on your word, your obligations and promises. We see how convincing Scab Sully was to the Jury.

Sully has zero integrity just like his colleagues. Just ask the realtor he's suing in NorCal because he was "tricked" into over paying for a house....see, it's NOT HIS FAULT... gee I wonder where that trait was learned. In typically unrealised Irony, your "grow up" comment says more about yourselves than the West. An adult takes reponsability for their actions...or lack there of. Not you guys. Nothing is your fault, everybody else is either senile, greed soaked, a lunatic, circus leaders, criminals, agents of leonidas, management plants, etc.

Look in the Mirror. You Deserve every bit of what you see.

 

[snapthis]

Goes to show, it's not just me. A lot of pilots were not impressed in April 2009.

 

[Freighterguynow]

There's that impressive westie AFO logic/integrity again

Good morning Pi, may I suggest to you and the rest of the US Airways posters take a deep breath and not engage the West.

We are 2 weeks into a 4 year process, relax and dont feed the West trolls.

The recent APA letter claims this will be a 24 to 30 month process to getting it all done. Since to company merely "hopes" to conclude to POR in the 3rd quarter I'd say the end of the year is the better bet.

So I wil use 30 months to a joint agreement. Always overlooked by the West is the defunct TA gave the company another 12 months beyond that to publish a joint bid. Since our bids run 4 months out we'd be looking at 16 months to actually getting the award. I'd imagine a much larger task with the size of the new merger to take even longer.

46 months. Long time.

Poor Clear, may I suggest some potted plants for your cubicle it'll really brighten up the place.

Oh, and pace yourself.

 

[Piedmont1984]

Not only do you want a fence between APA and USA. You also want a fences between US AIrways pilots?

Ok What possible LUP would usapa have for asking for a fence between US AIrways pilots? We are all one pilot groupd represented by a single union working on a single certificute.

How do you justify a fence between US AIrways pilots?

Good fences make good neighbors.

 

[nycbusdriver]

The ignore function works well. No need wasting your time reading the same post over and over. " punk, childish, grow up, lunitic judge", ect, ect ,ect

Eventually he will be arguing with himself.

Actually, you stumbled on a great idea to cool things down on this thread.

Every east pilot should put every west pilot on "Ignore." And, every west pilot should return the favor.

Presto....no more arguments!

 

[nic4us]

Good fences make good neighbors.

Not when the neighbor tries to build the fence well into my side of the property line.

 

[Claxon]

He's a grown man, he made a decision to show up in court that day and slap his co-workers in the face.

He sullied his image and his words spoke volumes more than any of his previous actions.

Actions speak louder than words? Not that day in April, 2009.

He was there to stop the western opportunists who were trying to steal the careers of those he worked with. He is a hero for that also. Merely acting in character doing the right thing.
The seniority thieves can't stand that. Too bad

 

[Claxon]

Not when the neighbor tries to build the fence well into my side of the property line.

Funny how you never paid for the property, yet claim it. Thief.

 

[nic4us]

"his words spoke volumes more than any of his previous actions."...? Aww....How cute. You didn't like his telling the nicsters to pound sand, so that's the west's "thoughts" here?....That disparaging a buncha' punks little greed-soaked notions, in a lunatic judge's courtroom/circus somehow diminishes his prior actions?....Seriously? Grow Up!

Yeah yeah...we get it...

Nicolau was senile,,,

Wake is a "lunatic", his federal courtroom a "circus sideshow".....


The problem I have with Sully, 767one, NYC, A320, Luv9(if he ain't actually lying about his seniority) and yourself.....

after being literally days away from getting the biggest career screw job you could have imagined, you and they decide to slap West pilots in the face (many of which are far more experienced than yourselves) and side with a bunch of disgruntled malcontent JOs intent on stealing what is not legally, ethical, or rightfully theirs.

It never crossed any of you entitlement attitude jerks minds that there are better people than yourselves running the show at AWA, and you might actually owe them a debt of gratitude!

Feel free to dismiss me as just another senile lunatic.

Or, take your own advice and grow up you sniveling idiot!

 

[nic4us]

He was there to stop the western opportunists who were trying to steal the careers of those he worked with. He is a hero for that also. Merely acting in character doing the right thing.
The seniority thieves can't stand that. Too bad

He told what seemed to be a completely fabricated story under oath on the witness stand.


Hmmmm....some character acting there indeed!