Feb / Mar 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Beancounter]

Man, that's a whole different interpretation of "free to negotiate", as was ruled by the Ninth Circuit AND Judge Silver.

You keep cherry picking like that and you're going to pull a muscle.

Bean

 

[snapthis]

Thank you for posting this. I've been saying this repeatedly and it's nice to see it stated by a company lawyer. How many times have do the east jihadists have to be told that they can't cherry pick the outcomes of these court cases and run around with their heads up their butts yelling victory?

Bean

I noticed that. I saw the Jones letter earlier and it was far more informative than a brown bag lunch with Parker or Kirby.

Very telling update:

"The Company is clear that they desire either a judicially sanctioned seniority list, OR a process to resolve East/West seniority in a manner which insulates them from liability. What the Company is saying is that the Nicolau is the list unless a court says otherwise, OR the West pilots voluntarily relinquish their rights to the Nicolau."

 

[Beancounter]

Well I have to sign off. You're going to love the job I have to do later. I have to sit in the bar of a nice restaurant (eating and drinking) and wait until a VIP dinner party is done eating and pay their bill. The best part, I get reimbursed. Man, I feel like an ALPA official🙂 Sorry to everyone I just pissed off. Just wait, in a couple hours I'll log in after a few drinks with my cell phone. I'm going to be really obnoxious.

Bean

 

[Claxon]

Thank you for posting this. I've been saying this repeatedly and it's nice to see it stated by a company lawyer. How many times have do the east jihadists have to be told that they can't cherry pick the outcomes of these court cases and run around with their heads up their butts yelling victory?

Bean

Keep quoting the lawyers who forget to mention the 9 th, you know the same court the slammed the western Wake jihaad. And also oversee Judge Silver. Too bad when you try to sue USAPA, it will be long gone after the fact.

 

[Phoenix]

The Company is clear that they desire either a judicially sanctioned seniority list, OR a process to resolve East/West seniority in a manner which insulates them from liability. What the Company is saying is that the Nicolau is the list unless a court says otherwise, OR the West pilots voluntarily relinquish their rights to the Nicolau.

.... 😀

 

[Pi brat]

Some more advice, that lawyer is smarter than USAPA's or AOL's lawyers.

Bean

You may certainly be right there Bean, I don't know. But you have to ask why lawyers say what they say. Did you read that letter from US to the NMB and think at any point "What a crock!"?

I think this will come down to who has the smartest lawyers and I don't know who that is.

One of the smartest things I've ever heard was from a PSA pilot about their strike. It didn't work out to well and I asked why. He said something like "when things like a strike happens both sides start spreading a bunch of BS, and you have to be careful not to start believing your own BS. We believed our own BS." Not sure who is believing theirs.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

Did you read that letter from US to the NMB and think at any point "What a crock!"?

I'm not bean, but yes.

 

[nycbusdriver]

You should hear the logic I was told why usapa has to wear uniforms everywhere. It's as absurd.

Was it to preclude the presence of full beards? THAT would be a true story.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Winning is one thing, collecting is a completely different ballgame, and usually the side with more money wins. I don't like it, but it's true.

What is it that the suit is asking for? Even if USAPA wins, the judge will probably tell the PBGC that they were naughty and they shouldn't do that again. At least until the next time. Case closed...attorneys rich...pilots still left holding the same bag (and it's not a ZERO Halliburton.)

 

[EastUS1]

February 28, 2013
Leonidas Update

..... around our monolithic West group, .....

Monoliths can be tricky things. Ya'll be careful out there. 😉

 

[Beancounter]

Keep quoting the lawyers who forget to mention the 9 th, you know the same court the slammed the western Wake jihaad. And also oversee Judge Silver. Too bad when you try to sue USAPA, it will be long gone after the fact.

Claxon you bonehead, he's talking about the 9th.

Bean

 

[Beancounter]

Geesh, i start into a carafe of Malbec and all you easties have gone to sleep.

Bean

 

[Beancounter]

You may certainly be right there Bean, I don't know. But you have to ask why lawyers say what they say. Did you read that letter from US to the NMB and think at any point "What a crock!"?

I think this will come down to who has the smartest lawyers and I don't know who that is.

One of the smartest things I've ever heard was from a PSA pilot about their strike. It didn't work out to well and I
asked why. He said something like "when things like a strike happens both sides start spreading a bunch of BS, and you have to be careful not to start believing your own BS. We believed our own BS." Not sure who is believing theirs.

Yes, i often find myself thinking what a crock/crook, but that doesn't mean they're wrong.

Bean

 

[snapthis]

Monoliths can be tricky things. Ya'll be careful out there. 😉

If you liked that, you'll love Fed Ex's take on Darwin's theory of evolution and Natural Selection.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64PWX_GwVQk

 

[Beancounter]

You may certainly be right there Bean, I don't know. But you have to ask why lawyers say what they say. Did you read that letter from US to the NMB and think at any point "What a crock!"?

I think this will come down to who has the smartest lawyers and I don't know who that is.

One of the smartest things I've ever heard was from a PSA pilot about their strike. It didn't work out to well and I asked why. He said something like "when things like a strike happens both sides start spreading a bunch of BS, and you have to be careful not to start believing your own BS. We believed our own BS." Not sure who is believing theirs.

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