Feb / Mar 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[noDOH4u]

We are here, we do have to work every now and then, unlike you furloughed kids. You boys love to grasp at anything. The Swan and I will be out of here in a few years.

A few years huh? Can't happen soon enough.

But it is pathetic how you have the loudest mouth when you latch on to any tiny, insignificant perceived victory. Yet when there is very clear evidence that you are wrong, like the APA statement clearly proving wrong your theory of DOH being APA's preferred method, all you loudmouths become conspicuously silent. Just like when the CLT recall failed and you were the first to blow your wad on this forum, but days later the MOU passed by an overwhelming 80%, and not a word from you about how wrong you were.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Usapa web site. Grievance committee.

T/A 8-9-10-11.

No T/A 5. If you have it post it.

I said I didn't remember the t/a, I just know its there.

 

[nevergiveup]

I said I didn't remember the t/a, I just know its there.

Or rather than....was there!

 

[cleardirect]

It makes no sense at all. That's why the story you made up about east pilots telling you that tall tale is absurd.

The Brothers Grimm have nothing on you. What an incredible, and fertile, and verbose imagination you have! You are in the wrong business, Clear. You should be writing children's books, especially scary ones.

I am just telling what east pits told me. I agree with you it is the logic that Nicolau would do that is absurd.

A lot of east logic seems absurd to me but I can't explain nor do I try.

You should hear the logic I was told why usapa has to wear uniforms everywhere. It's as absurd. But thems the rule the east set up.

But it goes along with One of the usapa s leaders saying usapa C&BL trumps federal law.

 

[cleardirect]

I said I didn't remember the t/a, I just know its there.

So what exactly did you show me? You called me a slacker. Post T/A 5 you said it was there.

T/A 9 involves furlough out of seniority. Where is the arbitration that usapa lost concerning west pilots getting DOH going east?

You made the statement.

 

[Portly Dorman]

Hey Luv....where is that big E190 order, remember, doomsday for the west, boogieman boogieman boogieman.

Or is it ALPA, ALPA, ALPA?

USAPA's What's Up On the Line?: February 27, 2013

Q – Is it true that US Airways told the USAPA and APA Boards at their joint meeting that the E-190 would not be used to replace Group 2 Aircraft flying?

A – Yes, on Thursday, Feb 21 in Ft Worth, US Airways President Scott Kirby said the plan is not to replace current Group II flying with the E-190, but that the E-190 would be growth flying consisting of flying that would otherwise go to regional airlines. He also stated that management likes the airplane and more might well be acquired, but the speculation he’s heard about a huge order for Group 1 airplanes is unfounded.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

[font=Arial'][font=Arial']From the wires: "The vote on Thursday means that flight attendants who came from both America West and the old US Airways finally have a single contract covering both groups. Previously, they worked under different rules, and the airline scheduled them separately. "[/font][/font]

[font=Arial'][font=Arial']Here is the primer:[/font][/font]

[font=Arial'][font=Arial']They have a JOINT CONTRACT under Section VI. Any claims member F/As have against their bargaining agent as to the seniority integration are now RIPE.[/font][/font]

[font=Arial'][font=Arial']We pilots continue to work under separate agreements until APA and USAPA reach a JOINT CONTRACT. We have an MOU that gives us all certain benefits going forward, but it does not change our underlying contracts. What it does change, however, is our old Transition Agreement. Upon POR approval it will define a timeline and process for getting to a JCBA and (wait, here it comes&hellip a joint seniority list. [/font][/font]

[font=Arial'][font=Arial']Despite all there hooten' and hollerin', almost every voting pilot in the USAPA PHX base voted for the MOU, thus agreeing to a NEW process for seniority integration.[/font][/font]

[font=Arial'][font=Arial']Good day for the East and West F/As, finally together after over 7 years. Good month for the East and West Pilots. They finally agreed on something![/font][/font]

[font=Arial'][font=Arial']Greeter[/font][/font]

 

[A320 Driver]

On another note...I just read the USAPA report on day three of the USAPA vs PBGC trial. It sounds very upbeat. That can only mean one thing. We are going to lose.

 

[nevergiveup]

On another note...I just read the USAPA report on day three of the USAPA vs PBGC trial. It sounds very upbeat. That can only mean one thing. We are going to lose.

Winning is one thing, collecting is a completely different ballgame, and usually the side with more money wins. I don't like it, but it's true.

 

[Beancounter]

On another note...I just read the USAPA report on day three of the USAPA vs PBGC trial. It sounds very upbeat. That can only mean one thing. We are going to lose.

Yes, I'm afraid USAPA has a long history of making lawyers rich chasing cases with zero chance of winning. As for false hope updates? Remember during the AWA/US arbitration all those glowing updates? The west knew long before the arbitration finished that DOH was dead. Why? Because we were fed the actual transcripts, not horse€%#\ pie in the sky updates. Just the same, sorry to hear about the PBGC trial.

Bean

 

[traderjake]

On another note...I just read the USAPA report on day three of the USAPA vs PBGC trial. It sounds very upbeat. That can only mean one thing. We are going to lose.

As upbeat as during the LOA 93 arbitration?

 

[Beancounter]

Hey Luv....where is that big E190 order, remember, doomsday for the west, boogieman boogieman boogieman.

Or is it ALPA, ALPA, ALPA?

He's just freakin' out, because his dream DOH staple job went in the crapper (where poop belongs).

Bean

 

[end_of_alpa]

So what exactly did you show me? You called me a slacker. Post T/A 5 you said it was there.

T/A 9 involves furlough out of seniority. Where is the arbitration that usapa lost concerning west pilots getting DOH going east?

You made the statement.

OK. It was the T/A 9 furlough out of seniority. It stands to reason that the company is not going to hire you back on the East with your DOH. The T/A stipulates that furlough pilots on one side go benith the pilots of the other.

Keep crying that river.

Not that I really care, since you want to pick a fight.

 

[nevergiveup]

He's just freakin' out, because his dream DOH staple job went in the crapper (where poop belongs).

Bean

Doh staples you to a position. LOS staples you to a position. Relative position staples you to a position. Lottery(which I prefer) staples you to a position.

 

[end_of_alpa]

From the wires: "The vote on Thursday means that flight attendants who came from both America West and the old US Airways finally have a single contract covering both groups. Previously, they worked under different rules, and the airline scheduled them separately. "

Here is the primer:

They have a JOINT CONTRACT under Section VI. Any claims member F/As have against their bargaining agent as to the seniority integration are now RIPE.

We pilots continue to work under separate agreements until APA and USAPA reach a JOINT CONTRACT. We have an MOU that gives us all certain benefits going forward, but it does not change our underlying contracts. What it does change, however, is our old Transition Agreement. Upon POR approval it will define a timeline and process for getting to a JCBA and (wait, here it comes&hellip a joint seniority list.

Despite all there hooten' and hollerin', almost every voting pilot in the USAPA PHX base voted for the MOU, thus agreeing to a NEW process for seniority integration.

Good day for the East and West F/As, finally together after over 7 years. Good month for the East and West Pilots. They finally agreed on something!

Greeter

Be prepared for the rebuttal. "Flame Bait"!! (Just kidding!)