Feb / Mar 2013 IAM Fleet Service Discussions

[737823]

You better get the old eyes checked, it clearly states its a subsidary of Delta, not Delta itself, right there on the web page.

Tim, doesnt post the truth, tim twists it to suit his needs, notice how he didnt address anything he has done in the past, ask any CLT ramper on here and they can tell you its about tim and his grasp and need to be in power.

They get their benefits from DGS, not DL, and they dont even get a 401k until a year of employment.

Care to address any other points raised to you?

Are you that obtuse?

My vision is fine, they work for a subsidiary of Atlanta, GA based Delta Air Lines Inc., the parent company of Delta Air Lines. US Airways parent is Tempe, AZ based US Airways Group, so the Piedmont and PSA workers similarly work for a subsidiary of US Airways Group and receive their benefits through the company including pass privileges on US Airways.

And most workers no longer receive pensions, many employers don't begin matching 401K contributions until a certain period, often one year and there are limits in place. As you noted some employers don't even allow employees to participate until a certain period of service is met. Only a matter of time before the IAM reaches more sellout agreements and rolls over to eliminate pensions for new hires like they did at Lockheed Martin after the unsuccessful strike action.

Why do I need to ask anyone about Tim? People post here this is an open forum. What do your coworkers at CLT say about you? Oh wait you have been separated from USAIR since 2005...

Josh

 

[robbedagain]

josh.. i used to work for the commuter outfit piedmont.... for 3 yrs and 1 month... they have their own benefits the travel priviledges are recipical on us n us exp and other airlines... EN has its own mgmt team and headquarters the airline just happens to be wholly owned by us airways the one thing thats different now vs when i was there is that the cwa is now their main union collective bargainin unit when i was there they tried at least several times to form but always came up less than 50 votes short...
i would suspect dgs comair or any of those smaller subsidiary companies are very similar with benes and all

 

[T5towbar]

Most people are oblivious about the politics that affect their own cities, states, this nation, the globe, and even the school districts where they send their kids to get educated. Why then should any of them be expected to take seriously and invest time in learning about a whole other realm of politics which, from the outside, looks just like a huge collection of hacks and amateurs blaming each other from what is, at root, a foundational and systemic inability of a labor organization to remain relevant?

Who benefits from an uninformed and apathetic membership? The company, certainly, but solidarity and awakening are a double-edged sword, and in rousing the membership - which the IAM claims to want to do - it runs the risk of itself becoming the victim of popular ire when its own inventory of shortcomings comes under scrutiny. It seems to me that there are those who have gained such comfort and security by virtue of their positions of "serving" the membership that they would rather not see this happen. I don't imagine it's lost on Delaney and his underlings that an awakened membership might stand up not only to the company but to his 'company' as well.

This is a recurrent problem in democratic politics: institutions chosen and mandated by a population to protect and serve its interests over time come to be as exploitative as the entities it was selected to protect that population against. This is precisely why Thomas Jefferson said, perhaps partially tongue-in-cheek, that God forbid we go 20 years without a revolution. We see this same dynamic writ large in our national democracy, in which mass disinterest has allowed the government to acquire powers and capabilities that have the potential of being used in very anti-democratic ways (and in fact regularly are).

As such it's pointless to finger any one person or committee and say they're corrupt or incompetent when the entire structure of representation is broken or corrupted. The IAM being its own self-interested entity will at the end of the day prioritize its own wants and needs over that of client memberships it has the legal duty to represent; a disempowered and disinterested membership makes it all the easier for it to do so. No union is immune from the temptations to fleece the flock it is supposed to protect. I see the T/A negotiated for UA fleet to be a case-in-point in this regard.

Since the IAM is essentially hired to work for the membership I believe it's prudent that questions of DFR be asked constantly, and I am suspicious of those who feel that the IAM is somehow above or beyond that kind of scrutiny.

That's so true. Apathy can be a disease which can be deadly.......just like this TA.
People don't like to get involved in politics (both locally and nationally) and Union business is just like politics. But sadly enough, politics affects EVERY aspect of your being. You have to be involved and informed of what's happening around you. Some people go thru the day, thinking that things don't affect them, but in reality they do. Of course there is a vocal minority of people on opposite ends, but the quiet middle has to be involved too.

I've seen apathy first hand when we voted in the IBT. And again during the IAM/IBT elections. I am hoping this doesn't happen during this vote. I think that since people's jobs and money is at stake, they will be forced to get involved.

I don't like the shortened time frame to vote; the different color ballots; and of course this terrible TA. THIS MUST BE VOTED DOWN!!!!! THIS HAS TO BE VOTED DOWN, or else everything else is lost. The district did not heed our calls for what we wanted in a contract. SCOPE & MEDICAL was the main issues the survey(s). This contract just divides, not brings us together. The company is not going to give sUA their retro but dressed up the money in a bonus payment and put it in a LOA stating it is squarely a BONUS, not retro. That should have been in seperate negotiations.

Divide & Conquer.........

Thanks for posting those comments CJ.

 

[robbedagain]

T5 and CJ excellent posts

 

[IAM Informer]

CJ
Bluto is trying to dumb himself down by changing his dialect. He's none other than a Communicator for DL141 pretty sad that you are paying his salary and he insults the membership by trying to deceive not to mention his insult in the IAM Messenger directed at the members for seeking info anyway they can because the Leadership is unable to communicate (unless its election time) then it's a barrage of BS

Great earlier post very well written and spoken

 

[IAM Informer]

Folks remember those surveys where just a smoke screen to give folks a false sense of security that the DL was listening. Heck if they don't secure the process ANYONE could fill out (managements secretary's ) as many as they wanted. I personally filled out 2 dozen myself

 

[cltrat]

Folks remember those surveys where just a smoke screen to give folks a false sense of security that the DL was listening. Heck if they don't secure the process ANYONE could fill out (managements secretary's ) as many as they wanted. I personally filled out 2 dozen myself

I am still waiting for anyone to answer your question about three positive things Delaney has done.
So far all i hear is how Tim is Satan and crickets chirping.
This is coming from someone who supported this group both times and has friends on the nc and that are AGC's so I am not a cheerleader for Tim by no means just like to see it answered.

 

[BLUTO]

CJ
Bluto is trying to dumb himself down by changing his dialect. He's none other than a Communicator for DL141 pretty sad that you are paying his salary and he insults the membership by trying to deceive not to mention his insult in the IAM Messenger directed at the members for seeking info anyway they can because the Leadership is unable to communicate (unless its election time) then it's a barrage of BS

Great earlier post very well written and spoken

keep tryn nielson
i love it when u git
paranoid thts when u
start cros postin n
makin mistakes
are u spendin the $ u
git frum co on meds?

 

[Kev3188]

He says you're trying to dumb yourself down.... Doesn't seem like a mistake from where I'm sitting.

 

[cltrat]

He says you're trying to dumb yourself down.... Doesn't seem like a mistake from where I'm sitting.

or very difficult either

 

[IAM Informer]

Dave (Bluto) I realize you frustrated that I'm not Tim I asked the mods to verify thru there means and since they realize we are 2 different people not much they can do. You know that since you have them on speed dial.
Your really looking the fool go back to your IAM paid hotel room at the Hyatt and film something last time I understood the rules for being paid lost time it didnt include sitting on message boards but then again maybe the E board amended the rules they seem to do whatever suits there needs at the time

 

[ChockJockey]

keep tryn nielson
i love it when u git
paranoid thts when u
start cros postin n
makin mistakes
are u spendin the $ u
git frum co on meds?

What difference does it make if he is Nelson? I've been accused of being Tim (where is, I say where is Roabilly these days?) too, but it doesn't mean I am. I myself tend to doubt it.

If Tim is cross-posting though he's a hell of a lot better at it than you are. I don't know if you really do have learning disabilities or are pretending to have learning disabilities but either way sounding like a schmuck doesn't bode well for your credibility.

A good point or a legitimate question will stand on its own merits regardless of who posts it. People without the brain or backbone to answer tough questions reflexively attack the character of the asker in order to distract the discussion.

 

[Vortex]

nielson giv up ths fake handle s***!
everbodie nows u r the informer
a man that lies abut this is not 2 b
trusted! itz 1 thing 2 b an idiot
but a lying deceitful idiot iz worse!

Differences of opinion are ok as long as we have civility.
What about this opinion demonstrates any civility?
A little self control please!

 

[BLUTO]

Dave (Bluto) I realize you frustrated that I'm not Tim I asked the mods to verify thru there means and since they realize we are 2 different people not much they can do. You know that since you have them on speed dial.
Your really looking the fool go back to your IAM paid hotel room at the Hyatt and film something last time I understood the rules for being paid lost time it didnt include sitting on message boards but then again maybe the E board amended the rules they seem to do whatever suits there needs at the time

i ask mods to confirm
Im not dave video guy
road trip or ant iam guy! they conclude
im not! i hope raod trip sues u 4
false accusation n slander
it will cost co more to bail u out!

 

[ograc]

What difference does it make if he is Nelson? I've been accused of being Tim (where is, I say where is Roabilly these days?) too, but it doesn't mean I am. I myself tend to doubt it.

If Tim is cross-posting though he's a hell of a lot better at it than you are. I don't know if you really do have learning disabilities or are pretending to have learning disabilities but either way sounding like a schmuck doesn't bode well for your credibility.

A good point or a legitimate question will stand on its own merits regardless of who posts it. People without the brain or backbone to answer tough questions reflexively attack the character of the asker in order to distract the discussion.

I would ask that we get away from personal attacks and accusations of who is who. It is really counter productive and distracting. Let's try to stay focused on the issues. The UA TA... how the result of the ratification vote could impact US negotiations etc. Is anyone aware, as the result of the merger, Fleet members in CLP at PIT will most likely be moving to DFW or losing their jobs? Who Bluto or Informer is... pales in comparison... to the real issues that must be faced by our fellow members going forward. With that being said... can we move on to a more meaningful discussion?