Feb / Mar 2013 IAM Fleet Service Discussions

[700UW]

Sito Pantoja initiated into IAM Local Lodge 1056 in Jamaica, NY in 1977 as an Aircraft & Powerplant Mechanic. He served as a shop steward at Local 1056 until he transferred to Local Lodge 949 in St. Louis in 1988. He served Local 949 as Trustee and Recording Secretary and has been a full-time IAM Representative since his 1991 election as member and later Chairman of the local’s Full-Time Grievance Committee.

Sito Pantoja was appointed Grand Lodge Special Representative in 1999 and GLR shortly thereafter. He was selected Administrative Assistant to GVP Roach in 2005. Sito was elected Chairman of the International Transport Workers' Federation's Civil Aviation Section in 2010.

A graduate of New York City’s Aviation High School, Sito holds a Bachelor's Degree in Labor Studies from the National Labor College.

 

[700UW]

This is a US Airways thread right?

Yes I was talking about US not UA.

And I said nothing about the IAM in regards to flight attendants.

 

[737823]

Sito Pantoja initiated into IAM Local Lodge 1056 in Jamaica, NY in 1977 as an Aircraft & Powerplant Mechanic. He served as a shop steward at Local 1056 until he transferred to Local Lodge 949 in St. Louis in 1988. He served Local 949 as Trustee and Recording Secretary and has been a full-time IAM Representative since his 1991 election as member and later Chairman of the local’s Full-Time Grievance Committee.

Sito Pantoja was appointed Grand Lodge Special Representative in 1999 and GLR shortly thereafter. He was selected Administrative Assistant to GVP Roach in 2005. Sito was elected Chairman of the International Transport Workers' Federation's Civil Aviation Section in 2010.

A graduate of New York City’s Aviation High School, Sito holds a Bachelor's Degree in Labor Studies from the National Labor College.

You are just like john john, link copy paste.

http://www.goiam.org/index.php/headquarters/executive-council/9647-sito-pantoja

Josh

 

[700UW]

Just like John John?

I seriously doubt that, I only copy and paste certain things when the facts are needed to counteract the lies and misinformation you post.

 

[737823]

Show me one lie in my post. Did you even bother watching the video I linked where they are all boasting what a great agreement this is? Tim is right this is an awful agreement.

Josh

 

[700UW]

Dont have to watch the video, the membership at UA will make their choice, it doesnt effect you in the least bit.

And I meant how you post misinformation and lies and then I counter them, never said you lied in the post.

And Tim nor you were in negotiations, no one knows except the committee and the company what transpired in negotiations.

 

[Kev3188]

Well however bad this CBA language is it has to be better than the DL scope, right? Surprised you didn't mention that, it's pretty hard to enforce scope language that *doesn't exist*.

The inherent advantage that UA employees have over DL workers is that they have a collective say in their future. Hopefully, they use that voice to say "F no" to this T/A.

 

[wings396]

Given the language that's in this T/A, they'll certainly have room to do so if it passes...

Just to confirm for Josh, we are talking about UA outsourcing jobs here, not US.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Sito Pantoja initiated into IAM Local Lodge 1056 in Jamaica, NY in 1977 as an Aircraft & Powerplant Mechanic. He served as a shop steward at Local 1056 until he transferred to Local Lodge 949 in St. Louis in 1988. He served Local 949 as Trustee and Recording Secretary and has been a full-time IAM Representative since his 1991 election as member and later Chairman of the local’s Full-Time Grievance Committee.

Sito Pantoja was appointed Grand Lodge Special Representative in 1999 and GLR shortly thereafter. He was selected Administrative Assistant to GVP Roach in 2005. Sito was elected Chairman of the International Transport Workers' Federation's Civil Aviation Section in 2010.

A graduate of New York City’s Aviation High School, Sito holds a Bachelor's Degree in Labor Studies from the National Labor College.

Does he get to wear the "Grand Poopa" Hat now? LOL. Sito said, "This is a monumental contract" [referring to the anti union ta at united]. Just terrible. regards

 

[Tim Nelson]

Dont have to watch the video, the membership at UA will make their choice, it doesnt effect you in the least bit.

And I meant how you post misinformation and lies and then I counter them, never said you lied in the post.

And Tim nor you were in negotiations, no one knows except the committee and the company what transpired in negotiations.

700UW, nobody needs to be in negotiations to understand that the United TA sucks balls. Why does anyone need to know what transpired in negotiations when we see the "Grand Poopa transpiration" of yet another incredibly lousy TA? Rich Delaney and 141 rising had "Maximum Leverage" and brought back a contract that is quite honestly worse than the one Canale signed in bankruptcy. and that is saying a lot. regards,

 

[Tim Nelson]

Thanks Tim. I am surprised they were so quick to give up that much scope, seems to me that if it took four years to negotiate something this bad either the company was pushing for something even more flexible-perhaps outsourcing all PCE functions or the DL 141 was more interested in getting the agreement done and gave the company exactly what they wanted. It's amazing how much UA flying is outsourced to Express carriers and many medium/large US markets have single mainline service-places like ATL (1x ORD), STL (1x SFO) or no service at all, maintaining stronger scope along with the new pilot scope should have been a priority.

In the TA video Sito Pantoja, Ira Levy, and Rich Delaney keep saying that a great agreement this is and how the negotiating committee worked "tirelessly" on this "monumental" "unprecedented" agreement and everyone deserves "a huge pat on the back". Do you have any knowledge of any part-time reserve language similar to the recent Hawaiian language?


https://www.youtube....h?v=Z4HP-xwBmxc



Well however bad this CBA language is it has to be better than the DL scope, right? Surprised you didn't mention that, it's pretty hard to enforce scope language that *doesn't exist*. Seems to me that the UA PCE members should be asking themselves what value this agreement provides if after four years of negotiations they give away the store through scope concessions maybe they would be better served with different leadership or representation. Again, when was the last time Sito Pantoja worked directly for the airlines? TWA [TWA's assets to be precise] was (were) acquired by AA in 2001, ceased to exist in 2002. Seems Sito was Roach's right hand man for the longest time and his move in to GVP Transportation took no one by surprise as Roach climbed up.

Josh

Josh, Delaney kept the term 'temporary employee' instead of converting it to 'ready reserve'. But they certainly did make a lean to ready reserve in this contract when you compare the current contract with the new TA. Not fully blown like at Hawaiian. What is equally concerning is unlimited split shifts and unlimited part time. It will destroy our craft but double the revenue of the IAM since two part timers bring in double the revenue of one full timer. The TWU just signed unlimited part time as well at AMR and no doubt our present leadership at the IAM will try to also swing that one. Both the IAM and TWU are losing their collective rumps and have sold out to part timers to keep the union functionable. Anti labor indeed. regards,

 

[ograc]

Josh, Delaney kept the term 'temporary employee' instead of converting it to 'ready reserve'. But they certainly did make a lean to ready reserve in this contract when you compare the current contract with the new TA. Not fully blown like at Hawaiian. What is equally concerning is unlimited split shifts and unlimited part time. It will destroy our craft but double the revenue of the IAM since two part timers bring in double the revenue of one full timer. The TWU just signed unlimited part time as well at AMR and no doubt our present leadership at the IAM will try to also swing that one. Both the IAM and TWU are losing their collective rumps and have sold out to part timers to keep the union functionable. Anti labor indeed. regards,

Maybe it would be beneficial to our group, as we approach a possible representation election as a result of this merger, to consider a third option for representation. A union that puts the members' interests first and not the other way around. How refreshing would that be? Shouldn't this basic expectation, from a member's viewpoint, be the foundation for choosing to be represented? Any union that fails to meet this basic expectation has failed to duly represent and doesn't deserve a vote IMO.
ograc

 

[Jimmy Neutron]

Well-- It's OFFICIAL !!! The company officially slapped the membership in the face once again ---- not that anyone expected any different outcome of the pace of negotiations---My question is now ----- why the hell didn't the District ask to be released just as District 142 did --- the time has come for the entire membership to WAKE UP and stand up for a change instead of acting like a cowering beat dog --------

http://www.iam141.org/us/index.html

"After we presented the counter proposal to the company, the mediator informed your committee that the company was unable to respond with a revised proposal due to the unavailability of key financial managers and others. This is not only disrespectful, but very unprofessional. The company was well aware that this week was focused on a comprehensive economic proposal, but it is now quite obvious that the company is much more concerned with making sure the merger becomes a reality.
To find other management personnel, that the company claims are required to be involved in decision making, were all away from their offices the same week and apparently unable to be reached through any other form of communication including email, phone, text, Facebook, twitter, or overnight mail, was hard to believe, but shows how much respect management has for you and your family."

That pretty much sums it up in a nutshell------It's NOW time for everyone to WAKE UP !!

 

[john john]

-My question is now ----- why the hell didn't the District ask to be released just as District 142 did ---

I was thinking the same thing both are on the same track and have similar issues

 

[ograc]

Well-- It's OFFICIAL !!! The company officially slapped the membership in the face once again ---- not that anyone expected any different outcome of the pace of negotiations---My question is now ----- why the hell didn't the District ask to be released just as District 142 did --- the time has come for the entire membership to WAKE UP and stand up for a change instead of acting like a cowering beat dog --------

http://www.iam141.org/us/index.html

"After we presented the counter proposal to the company, the mediator informed your committee that the company was unable to respond with a revised proposal due to the unavailability of key financial managers and others. This is not only disrespectful, but very unprofessional. The company was well aware that this week was focused on a comprehensive economic proposal, but it is now quite obvious that the company is much more concerned with making sure the merger becomes a reality.
To find other management personnel, that the company claims are required to be involved in decision making, were all away from their offices the same week and apparently unable to be reached through any other form of communication including email, phone, text, Facebook, twitter, or overnight mail, was hard to believe, but shows how much respect management has for you and your family."

That pretty much sums it up in a nutshell------It's NOW time for everyone to WAKE UP !!

Suprise! Suprise! Suprise! As I have stated in previous posts... the company is "dancing with the IAM" regarding contract negotiations. They no longer have any respect for the IAM Leadership and truly believe, as a result of future representation elections, the IAM won't even be on the property at the newly merged carrier. With this in mind... why would they be the least bit interested in signing contracts with the IAM? The IAM may state they will not support the merger until new contracts are agreed to, but in the end, their opposition is nothing more than hollow threats and will not stop the merger. It is truly time to wake up!! Based on the company's posture and agenda; US Fleet Service employees, along with MTC. and Related, should not expect a contract until representation issues, related to the merger, are settled. Throughout the pre-merger negotiations the IAM, representing US members in both groups, wasn't even invited to the table. Slap! Slap! Slap! Maybe that's the reasoning behind the IAM DL 141 Leadership Team agreeing to such a "company friendly" TA at UA. Regarding the Fleet Service at US... I'm not convinced the TWU is a better option. This labor organization has a history of agreeing to outsourcing jobs. As stated earlier... maybe it's time to consider a third option for both bargaining groups... Fleet Service and MTC. and Related. IMO... one thing seems certain... the IAM is effectively being eliminated as a player in the future of the combined workforce.
ograc