Feb / Mar 2013 IAM Fleet Service Discussions

[ograc]

all BS. They think members are stupid. regards

They think members are stupid. They know most members are apathetic and act accordingly. Unfortunately, for them, some members do not fall into either category.

 

[ChockJockey]

Southwest Harlem Shake

This is cute. If we ever tried something like this in PHX there would be ESON's and suspensions all around.

 

[freedom]

aww southwest beat us again ... I knew sooner or later they were going to capitalize on the new social trend ....I wish we had done something bigger and better than that ... but yeah , Eson's for everyone ...

 

[Tim Nelson]

They think members are stupid. They know most members are apathetic and act accordingly. Unfortunately, for them, some members do not fall into either category.

I think that most members really do care but the leadership has divided by standing with management. This is represented with the current eboard's unanimous support for a substandard craft killing ta that stands tall with management. The United airline members have been rallied, educated themselves by reading the TA, and will vote accordingly. Unfortunately, the union bosses are saying that facebook is destroying the TA but such talk is insulting to our intelligence. Rampers like us actually know how to read! regards

 

[necigrad]

FWIW the one arbitration hearing that I have some knowledge of wasn't a quickie. It took place over the course of multiple days. And yes, I'm talking ARBITRATION, not any type of negotiation, haggleing, mediation, or discussion.

 

[ograc]

FWIW the one arbitration hearing that I have some knowledge of wasn't a quickie. It took place over the course of multiple days. And yes, I'm talking ARBITRATION, not any type of negotiation, haggleing, mediation, or discussion.

The due process under the grievance procedure. No negotiating, haggleing, discussion or the practice of allowing the company and their lawyers to review the union's presentation prior to arbitration in the hopes of a settlement offer. A settlement that IMO... saves the company and the district $$$... but in most cases falls short of the remedial action due the grievant. Under the current process and practice is the union truly representing the member's best interests or the company's and the district's? Getting hard to distinguish which party has less regard for the employee's request to be made whole.

 

[T5towbar]

I think that most members really do care but the leadership has divided by standing with management. This is represented with the current eboard's unanimous support for a substandard craft killing ta that stands tall with management. The United airline members have been rallied, educated themselves by reading the TA, and will vote accordingly. Unfortunately, the union bosses are saying that facebook is destroying the TA but such talk is insulting to our intelligence. Rampers like us actually know how to read! regards

That's true about this vote on this TA. You are getting more info thru social media than ever before. The District just wants to get this passed to get the dues money from sCO ATW. But a whole lot of this is fishy. The really short time frame for this vote for starters. 30000 plus ballots sent and due in one week? Plus the different color ballots for each sub. This vote will not be secret ballot at all. They will know what which sub voted for. And who voted for the strike. There are about 6 different color ballots between ATW and BTW. Plus Stores and CMI. The ballots should be only 3 colors; one for each group. But they are different colors amongst the groups and subsidiaries. sUA ramp is blue; sCO ramp is green. Makes no sense to me and could be a lawsuit involved due to a vote rig (especially if this garbage passes.) What is this District trying to do?

 

[robbedagain]

Orgac today frank is to meet yet again in phx regarding my grievance case but as in the past few weeks months n yrs i dont think i should expect an answer but ill keep you posted i sure hope your coming along better than me regarding your grievance anytime you wish just pm me too and let me know how that is goind if you want

 

[wings396]

That's true about this vote on this TA. You are getting more info thru social media than ever before. The District just wants to get this passed to get the dues money from sCO ATW. But a whole lot of this is fishy. The really short time frame for this vote for starters. 30000 plus ballots sent and due in one week? Plus the different color ballots for each sub. This vote will not be secret ballot at all. They will know what which sub voted for. And who voted for the strike. There are about 6 different color ballots between ATW and BTW. Plus Stores and CMI. The ballots should be only 3 colors; one for each group. But they are different colors amongst the groups and subsidiaries. sUA ramp is blue; sCO ramp is green. Makes no sense to me and could be a lawsuit involved due to a vote rig (especially if this garbage passes.) What is this District trying to do?

I just wanted to pass some info on to you since I know that you are currently with UA. I overheard a group of UA Fleet guys chatting the other day, and they were discussing the new T/A and their thoughts about how to vote. One guy said that he was going to vote Yes for the T/A, and Yes for the strike vote. The others in the group pretty much were in agreement with his thoughts, and these guys are actually in a city that could disappear in 2016 by being outsourced....

 

[robbedagain]

wings i cant believe they would vote themselves out of a job as you mentioned in an earlier post on this ua would not waste a moment notice to outsource all of those cities from some of my fellow friends at ua n co in my current station they have said they are turning it down bec of the outsourcing issues make no mistake that US is watching it closely
as a side note the mechanics for us turning down 3% raise

 

[blue collar]

Which 3% raise are you talking about regarding the mechanics?

 

[Tim Nelson]

I just wanted to pass some info on to you since I know that you are currently with UA. I overheard a group of UA Fleet guys chatting the other day, and they were discussing the new T/A and their thoughts about how to vote. One guy said that he was going to vote Yes for the T/A, and Yes for the strike vote. The others in the group pretty much were in agreement with his thoughts, and these guys are actually in a city that could disappear in 2016 by being outsourced....

Wings, there are some stations that have been mislead. As of April 1, if the ta passes, only 7 stations will have scope. That's it. All other stations have no scope protections whatsoever immediately. Only 7 have scope. Thus, the station you are in is most likely facing some contracting out sometime soon. Cripes, even BOS has no scope whatsoever and their bagroom can be contracted out on April 1 or ticket counter. No work is protected. I remember back in 1999 similar arguments were made at US AIRWAYS when there were 82 stations. I was amazed how many of the small stations voted yes in a big way and found themselves all gone shortly thereafter. The contract was sold by the IAM in similar fashion by saying "Job protections for all", i.e., any full timer with 1999 seniority. The 1999 protections still apply but as we have seen it is only a 'red herring' and if work isn't protected it doesn't matter what else is. 8 stations down to 15 and now because of the merger you gained some America West stations. regards,

 

[robbedagain]

Which 3% raise are you talking about regarding the mechanics?

I saw it on www.justplanenews.com and i think it may be the new contract but i could be wrong... 700 be a better person to ask.. but i do think they are slated to receive 2 or 3% in july.. but this 3% im talking about may be the new contract the company offered them... which then would be 2% more in 18 months on top of that... the mechanics said no and that the company disrespects them... i dont blame them either

 

[necigrad]

The due process under the grievance procedure. No negotiating, haggleing, discussion or the practice of allowing the company and their lawyers to review the union's presentation prior to arbitration in the hopes of a settlement offer. A settlement that IMO... saves the company and the district $$$... but in most cases falls short of the remedial action due the grievant. Under the current process and practice is the union truly representing the member's best interests or the company's and the district's? Getting hard to distinguish which party has less regard for the employee's request to be made whole.

I included these because I was trying to say that it was ONLY arbitration. It took place over SEVERAL days and involved a LOT of testimony. The idea that arbitrations are held several in one day is at best not guaranteed, at worst, just flat out wrong.

 

[Kev3188]

One guy said that he was going to vote Yes for the T/A, and Yes for the strike vote.

Anyone explain to them that the first "yes" basically cancels out the second one?