Democracy In Action

[Hackman]

Will Gary make another dash for management? Or maybe that financial planning gig will pan out? How about HR, I understand he is very close to them?

Might as well, he can follow Jimmy Little's lead....along a with number of failed former TEAM twu leaders.

I bet Phat Don and Bobby "Lower Expectations" Gless will also be opening the HR door after the next failed T/A sellout gets voted down.

What's FK'd up is you won't be able to tell the difference...except for a nice set of fur lined AA knee pads....monogrammed of course. :huh:

 

[Buck]

Well the DFW elections are starting to heat up with several of the candidates for president sending out mail outs to share their positions. It would appear that simply sending out a letter or placing flyers in the break rooms is the plan of attack. State an opinion enough and hope that it will somehow become fact. Kenya Hardrick’s attacks on Gary Peterson based on information provided by Larry Pike, Local 567 backing the morally bankrupt Keith Stewart and all three candidates ignoring John Talty for reasons that should be obvious to every voter. Friday’s debate should provide some good fodder and If nothing else it should make for an interesting afternoon at the hall.

Maybe someone from the local could make a motion to use dues for these politicians who are running for local union positions?

Then it would be more in line with the politics of the that gets our president elected. :huh:

 

[GeradArpey]

Will Gary make another dash for management? Or maybe that financial planning gig will pan out? How about HR, I understand he is very close to them?

 

[GeradArpey]

And here we have the perfect example. Nothing positive about what one of the other candidates has planed. Overspeed I cannot tell which candidate you support but I can certainly tell which one you do not. So I take it you are not voting FOR anyone, only against Peterson. So of the other three candidates which one should I support ? Please consider that I cannot of course support any candidate that is supported in any way by the international. This local has a history of having it's business ran by Little and Videtich so I could never support someone who would start off as a puppet to them. It might end up there but we should at least make them work a little for it. So realistically that only leaves us with two.

 

[Overspeed]

And here we have the perfect example. Nothing positive about what one of the other candidates has planed. Overspeed I cannot tell which candidate you support but I can certainly tell which one you do not. So I take it you are not voting FOR anyone, only against Peterson. So of the other three candidates which one should I support ? Please consider that I cannot of course support any candidate that is supported in any way by the international. This local has a history of having it's business ran by Little and Videtich so I could never support someone who would start off as a puppet to them. It might end up there but we should at least make them work a little for it. So realistically that only leaves us with two.

Keith. Petersen is too flip flop or too volatile to run the Local. At 567 he was all over the place, it depended on his mood and if he had his eye on a way to benefit himself. If an Int'l job had come his way I am sure he would not be bad mouthing Little or Videtich. Keith will at least acknowledge the fact he works with people regardless of their popularity on the floor. Petersen seems to be willing to sell out whomever he has to to get elected. What do you think he will do when he is negotiating?

Why not break up the political machine and have some outsiders run?

 

[strikeforce]

great alias!!!!!! It beats Frank Lorenzo, but in the same class of losers!

 

[GeradArpey]

Keith. Petersen is too flip flop or too volatile to run the Local. At 567 he was all over the place, it depended on his mood and if he had his eye on a way to benefit himself. If an Int'l job had come his way I am sure he would not be bad mouthing Little or Videtich. Keith will at least acknowledge the fact he works with people regardless of their popularity on the floor. Petersen seems to be willing to sell out whomever he has to to get elected. What do you think he will do when he is negotiating?

Why not break up the political machine and have some outsiders run?

Guess you missed the part about no puppets of the international.

 

[Gary Peterson]

First, if you are a Local 565 member who is voting in our election, take a few minutes and check out:

gpeterson565.sharepoint.com

I wil be using the web as the way to get important info and answers to the latest information being tossed around as "fact" at DFW, DWH, AUS, & DEN going forward throughout this election cycle.

I was just sent a link to this external debate and since my name has been added to it, I was asked to join in.
I will once again, defend myself against those who like to spread rumor and innuendo without any facts!
So let’s go!

OVERSPEED, I am calling you out from behind your hidden name and obvious anti Gary Peterson agenda. You speak as though you are working at an Overhaul Base in one post and in Line Maintenance the next. So which is it and or are you “off the clock” spreading the gospel of the TWU International?

As for your wild allegations:

1) It is Peterson, not Petersen.

2) As for me being, “too flip flop or too volatile to run the Local”.

I was twice elected President of Local 567 and had a split Executive Board to deal with in both terms. Also, as to the “flip-flop or too volatile to run the Local”. You speak as though you have been on a Board with me. Have you? If so, I believe you can you provide something other than rumor and innuendo? If you were an Executive Board member when I was in office, at AFW or ORD, then you are aware of the role of the Local President. You would also be aware that while at AFW, all decisions or changes made were either addressed through or voted on by the Executive Board and Local Membership meetings.

3) “At 567 he was all over the place, it depended on his mood and if he had his eye on a way to benefit himself.”

Really, I am the person who worked the weekend coverage crew, the position I was laid off into because of the 2003 concessions, during a failed attempt to remove me from office because I was not on board with the “TEAM TWU” campaign. Then, I was moved to Bay 6, when the weekend coverage crew was broken up. Please bring forth the “deals” you allege as fact and provide some documentation to support them.

4) If an Int'l job had come his way I am sure he would not be bad mouthing Little or Videtich.

I have always expressed my position against the TWU International structure and never been on board the "TEAM TWU"…have you? I think if you review my history, it will be clear that I have always challenged Mr. Little and the “Team TWUer’s” argued that I needed to stop. As for Don, I think his record as an International Representative speaks for itself. I was only in office for a very short period after Don was appointed to the International and “yes", I also continued to challenge him as their Rep!” And yes, I do plan to continue to question their integrity and motivation when it comes to the membership representation and the outlandish spending of member dues.

5) “Petersen seems to be willing to sell out whomever he has to get elected.”

Who might you be speaking of and were has this been happening?

6) “Another dash for management”?

Come on, is that the best you have? I am sure, if I was interested in going into management, I could have done so a long time ago. Not sure if you have noticed but they are hiring anyone they can into their ranks, even those who quit AA it has gotten that bad. I have seen this tactic used before, it is such an easy thing to throw out there to the membership.
Let me give you a word of advice, the membership is not naive to the BS you are attempting to spread!

7) My degree is in Finance and it is legitimate.

Unlike many who, within the TWU leadership, have portrayed themselves to have a degree however, it was quickly exposed as being from a diploma mill!

5) For the record, In the past I have worked outside AA, in the financial industry, on my days off and by CS’ing. I used that time to gain further insight into corporate accounting principles; continuing to expand my understanding of those rules is critical, especially when you are combating the company and the International.

6) “How about HR, I understand he is very close to them?”

Not sure who the "them" in the sentence is however, you can throw it out here and we can clear the air.

7) “What do you think he will do when he is negotiating?”

Excellent question. What I will not do is vote to bring back a T/A that further diminishes the labor agreement.
For the record, I was there in 2003 when the International sold us out, for their own benefit. Moreover, yes, I can back it up. It was Jim Little who stated, .... and we cannot go below $30.00 an hour for an AMT or AMFA will get a vote. And, you guys need to get busy and start making concessions from the labor agreement before AA files for bankruptcy.

By the way, it was after Mr. Little's statements that, I along with many others walked out of the process; while those left in the room sliced & diced years of negotiated history; for the TWU International!

~~~Overspeed, you should admit who you are or maybe there are several of you working under the alias here. It is very easy to hide behind the mask of an alias but, impossible to be credible if you are unwilling to put your name to what you are writing.

 

[TWU informer]

With all due respoect Mr. Gary Perterson,

There can be no member or officer left that has any years of service AA that actually believes the TWU will ever change it's structure, or ever stop dictacting policy and making moves to silence anyone that speaks the truth about negotiations.

That being said, welcome aboard, but my opinion will always be that those that believe "they" can make a difference in this union are actually nothing more than self serving patsies, or else have the inability to face reality.

I have no problem with you defending yourself, but if you start banging a drum about how you are going to correct the wrongs within this union, or that you really have any control of anything within this union, then prepare to be faced with adversity here.

 

[High Speed Steel]

With all due respoect Mr. Gary Perterson,

There can be no member or officer left that has any years of service AA that actually believes the TWU will ever change it's structure, or ever stop dictacting policy and making moves to silence anyone that speaks the truth about negotiations.

That being said, welcome aboard, but my opinion will always be that those that believe "they" can make a difference in this union are actually nothing more than self serving patsies, or else have the inability to face reality.

I have no problem with you defending yourself, but if you start banging a drum about how you are going to correct the wrongs within this union, or that you really have any control of anything within this union, then prepare to be faced with adversity here.

Simmadownnow you big bully...lol

 

[High Speed Steel]

First, if you are a Local 565 member who is voting in our election, take a few minutes and check out:

gpeterson565.sharepoint.com

I wil be using the web as the way to get important info and answers to the latest information being tossed around as "fact" at DFW, DWH, AUS, & DEN going forward throughout this election cycle.

I was just sent a link to this external debate and since my name has been added to it, I was asked to join in.
I will once again, defend myself against those who like to spread rumor and innuendo without any facts!
So let’s go!

OVERSPEED, I am calling you out from behind your hidden name and obvious anti Gary Peterson agenda. You speak as though you are working at an Overhaul Base in one post and in Line Maintenance the next. So which is it and or are you “off the clock” spreading the gospel of the TWU International?

As for your wild allegations:

1) It is Peterson, not Petersen.

2) As for me being, “too flip flop or too volatile to run the Local”.

I was twice elected President of Local 567 and had a split Executive Board to deal with in both terms. Also, as to the “flip-flop or too volatile to run the Local”. You speak as though you have been on a Board with me. Have you? If so, I believe you can you provide something other than rumor and innuendo? If you were an Executive Board member when I was in office, at AFW or ORD, then you are aware of the role of the Local President. You would also be aware that while at AFW, all decisions or changes made were either addressed through or voted on by the Executive Board and Local Membership meetings.

3) “At 567 he was all over the place, it depended on his mood and if he had his eye on a way to benefit himself.”

Really, I am the person who worked the weekend coverage crew, the position I was laid off into because of the 2003 concessions, during a failed attempt to remove me from office because I was not on board with the “TEAM TWU” campaign. Then, I was moved to Bay 6, when the weekend coverage crew was broken up. Please bring forth the “deals” you allege as fact and provide some documentation to support them.

4) If an Int'l job had come his way I am sure he would not be bad mouthing Little or Videtich.

I have always expressed my position against the TWU International structure and never been on board the "TEAM TWU"…have you? I think if you review my history, it will be clear that I have always challenged Mr. Little and the “Team TWUer’s” argued that I needed to stop. As for Don, I think his record as an International Representative speaks for itself. I was only in office for a very short period after Don was appointed to the International and “yes", I also continued to challenge him as their Rep!” And yes, I do plan to continue to question their integrity and motivation when it comes to the membership representation and the outlandish spending of member dues.

5) “Petersen seems to be willing to sell out whomever he has to get elected.”

Who might you be speaking of and were has this been happening?

6) “Another dash for management”?

Come on, is that the best you have? I am sure, if I was interested in going into management, I could have done so a long time ago. Not sure if you have noticed but they are hiring anyone they can into their ranks, even those who quit AA it has gotten that bad. I have seen this tactic used before, it is such an easy thing to throw out there to the membership.
Let me give you a word of advice, the membership is not naive to the BS you are attempting to spread!

7) My degree is in Finance and it is legitimate.

Unlike many who, within the TWU leadership, have portrayed themselves to have a degree however, it was quickly exposed as being from a diploma mill!

5) For the record, In the past I have worked outside AA, in the financial industry, on my days off and by CS’ing. I used that time to gain further insight into corporate accounting principles; continuing to expand my understanding of those rules is critical, especially when you are combating the company and the International.

6) “How about HR, I understand he is very close to them?”

Not sure who the "them" in the sentence is however, you can throw it out here and we can clear the air.

7) “What do you think he will do when he is negotiating?”

Excellent question. What I will not do is vote to bring back a T/A that further diminishes the labor agreement.
For the record, I was there in 2003 when the International sold us out, for their own benefit. Moreover, yes, I can back it up. It was Jim Little who stated, .... and we cannot go below $30.00 an hour for an AMT or AMFA will get a vote. And, you guys need to get busy and start making concessions from the labor agreement before AA files for bankruptcy.

By the way, it was after Mr. Little's statements that, I along with many others walked out of the process; while those left in the room sliced & diced years of negotiated history; for the TWU International!

~~~Overspeed, you should admit who you are or maybe there are several of you working under the alias here. It is very easy to hide behind the mask of an alias but, impossible to be credible if you are unwilling to put your name to what you are writing.

Not trying to come off as a bully here but this portion of your post doesn't help your cause much. Abandonment, can have lasting negative effects....just ask Ken how it worked out for him

 

[TWU informer]

Not trying to come off as a bully here but this portion of your post doesn't help your cause much. Abandonment, can have lasting negative effects....just ask Ken how it worked out for him

There is not ONE difference between abandonment, and staying in the fight with this union.

Abandonment = Blamed by the Interntational Dictators and sheep following members
Staying in the Fight = Blamed by the International Dictators and sheep following members

Tell us you honestly believe the outcome would be different, if Peterson did not walk out in 2003, or MacTeirnan had not resigned?
See how you have learned to blame them though, instead of the real perpatrators? You are a perfect example of a "good" TWU Member.
I know you are smart enough to eventually see the truth. Keep working on it!

 

[strikeforce]

First, if you are a Local 565 member who is voting in our election, take a few minutes and check out:

gpeterson565.sharepoint.com

I wil be using the web as the way to get important info and answers to the latest information being tossed around as "fact" at DFW, DWH, AUS, & DEN going forward throughout this election cycle.

I was just sent a link to this external debate and since my name has been added to it, I was asked to join in.
I will once again, defend myself against those who like to spread rumor and innuendo without any facts!
So let’s go!

OVERSPEED, I am calling you out from behind your hidden name and obvious anti Gary Peterson agenda. You speak as though you are working at an Overhaul Base in one post and in Line Maintenance the next. So which is it and or are you “off the clock” spreading the gospel of the TWU International?

As for your wild allegations:

1) It is Peterson, not Petersen.

2) As for me being, “too flip flop or too volatile to run the Local”.

I was twice elected President of Local 567 and had a split Executive Board to deal with in both terms. Also, as to the “flip-flop or too volatile to run the Local”. You speak as though you have been on a Board with me. Have you? If so, I believe you can you provide something other than rumor and innuendo? If you were an Executive Board member when I was in office, at AFW or ORD, then you are aware of the role of the Local President. You would also be aware that while at AFW, all decisions or changes made were either addressed through or voted on by the Executive Board and Local Membership meetings.

3) “At 567 he was all over the place, it depended on his mood and if he had his eye on a way to benefit himself.”

Really, I am the person who worked the weekend coverage crew, the position I was laid off into because of the 2003 concessions, during a failed attempt to remove me from office because I was not on board with the “TEAM TWU” campaign. Then, I was moved to Bay 6, when the weekend coverage crew was broken up. Please bring forth the “deals” you allege as fact and provide some documentation to support them.

4) If an Int'l job had come his way I am sure he would not be bad mouthing Little or Videtich.

I have always expressed my position against the TWU International structure and never been on board the "TEAM TWU"…have you? I think if you review my history, it will be clear that I have always challenged Mr. Little and the “Team TWUer’s” argued that I needed to stop. As for Don, I think his record as an International Representative speaks for itself. I was only in office for a very short period after Don was appointed to the International and “yes", I also continued to challenge him as their Rep!” And yes, I do plan to continue to question their integrity and motivation when it comes to the membership representation and the outlandish spending of member dues.

5) “Petersen seems to be willing to sell out whomever he has to get elected.”

Who might you be speaking of and were has this been happening?

6) “Another dash for management”?

Come on, is that the best you have? I am sure, if I was interested in going into management, I could have done so a long time ago. Not sure if you have noticed but they are hiring anyone they can into their ranks, even those who quit AA it has gotten that bad. I have seen this tactic used before, it is such an easy thing to throw out there to the membership.
Let me give you a word of advice, the membership is not naive to the BS you are attempting to spread!

7) My degree is in Finance and it is legitimate.

Unlike many who, within the TWU leadership, have portrayed themselves to have a degree however, it was quickly exposed as being from a diploma mill!

5) For the record, In the past I have worked outside AA, in the financial industry, on my days off and by CS’ing. I used that time to gain further insight into corporate accounting principles; continuing to expand my understanding of those rules is critical, especially when you are combating the company and the International.

6) “How about HR, I understand he is very close to them?”

Not sure who the "them" in the sentence is however, you can throw it out here and we can clear the air.

7) “What do you think he will do when he is negotiating?”

Excellent question. What I will not do is vote to bring back a T/A that further diminishes the labor agreement.
For the record, I was there in 2003 when the International sold us out, for their own benefit. Moreover, yes, I can back it up. It was Jim Little who stated, .... and we cannot go below $30.00 an hour for an AMT or AMFA will get a vote. And, you guys need to get busy and start making concessions from the labor agreement before AA files for bankruptcy.

By the way, it was after Mr. Little's statements that, I along with many others walked out of the process; while those left in the room sliced & diced years of negotiated history; for the TWU International!

~~~Overspeed, you should admit who you are or maybe there are several of you working under the alias here. It is very easy to hide behind the mask of an alias but, impossible to be credible if you are unwilling to put your name to what you are writing.

Gary,

get ready for the meat hooks on this board.......what we definitely need is people that can provide insight into the TWU "la casa nostra". Most people will never understand the inner workings of the TWU. We both seen it first hand. Good Luck to you!!!

Strikeforce.....aka Carmen Ricciardi

and yes.....I will not be intimidated by people that will not expose themselves. We're all grown men acting like children. It's no wonder why AA and the TWU play the members like grand piano's.

 

[Overspeed]

First, if you are a Local 565 member who is voting in our election, take a few minutes and check out:

gpeterson565.sharepoint.com

OVERSPEED, I am calling you out from behind your hidden name and obvious anti Gary Peterson agenda. You speak as though you are working at an Overhaul Base in one post and in Line Maintenance the next. So which is it and or are you “off the clock” spreading the gospel of the TWU International?

Do you deny you interviewed for management positions? You have and they didn't want you. Didn't you interview for the same job as Rusty Prewitt? Yes, and he got the job. How many others Gary?

Gary, just posting under your own name doesn't diminish the fact you're aspirations are whatever suits your pocket book. If elected I expect you will disappear again until the next big thing comes along.

You turn on Little, Gless, and Videtich only because you know that is break room rhetoric that will get you elected...you hope. The membership doesn't need your IGM BS. Once elected you will buddy up with any faction that will benefit you. You were totally onboard with working with consultants when it got you something. Didn't you let them in to AFW and offer up exec board members and mechanics to assist? You said it was what was going to get us more a contract time. You played both ends though didn't you? Tried to make connections in Finance but that didn't play out the way you planned. Guess it's time to try to run for President again and try to make some new connections huh?

DFW members will not be well served by you. You bash Keith for getting DFW opened and more jobs for us. What did you do at AFW? Did you add several hundred jobs during your time in office? That would be a big no!

 

[DallasConehead]

Anyone that would cast a vote for Stewart is a complete idiot after the screwin he gave us during his last run. Whats more, he's endorsed by Videtich because he wants his puppet to preside over his local.