Delta mechanics getting raise again

[dfw gen]

i would put world traveler, 700 and Josh on ignore but then there would be no one left posting ! its almost their own personnel romper room.

 

[WorldTraveler]

but it is ok for you call many DL employees "low information?"

The formula hasn't changed except after the pay raise and information from the co. saying it would change. The amount of profit sharing changes based on company earnings.

That is the way the process works, Kev.

 

[700UW]

When two active DL FAs come on here and tell you to accept that DL employees don't want anything to do with labor, the votes back them up as representative of the majority, and you continue down your endless tirades, then yes you damage the labor movement.

so you carry on with your foolishness..

So TWO out of thousands speak for all the FAs?
 
You are delusional, thousands of cards have been signed and more come in everyday.
 
Funny there are 3,558 and 99.9% of them on there who post on WCDLFAs are pro-union.
 
You are truly ignorant, you sit behind your keyboard and make up stuff and avoid the things you dont want to answer.
 
The only fool is yourself.
 
Let me ask something.
 
10% of $1 Billion is how much?
 
15% of $1 Billion is how much?
 
I guess your didnt learn and dont follow the rules of being a man of the cloth, boy your gonna be surprised when St Peter says, sorry, take the elevator down.

 

[Kev3188]

but it is ok for you call many DL employees "low information?"

The formula hasn't changed except after the pay raise and information from the co. saying it would change. The amount of profit sharing changes based on company earnings.

That is the way the process works, Kev.

To quote you: well duh.

Looks like you're just looking t argue for the sake of doing so. I'll pass, thanks. I'm only sorry I didn't catch it earlier...

 

[Thomas Paine]

Pilots and FAs at US are getting profit sharing.
 
And I would think other airlines have it also.
 
And funny how you ignore the unilateral cut in profit sharing DL management imposed.
 


 
WN the highest unionized airline and most consistent and profitable airline has a 15% profit sharing to employees, gee thats higher than the 10% DL employees get.
 
United:
Co-workers earned $119 million in profit sharing for full-year 2012, which will be distributed on Feb. 14, 2013.
 
And AA also has profit sharing.

Well we in the TWU were told we had to give it up because USAIR (IAM) didnt have profit sharing. Thanks.

 

[Thomas Paine]

wrong.... DL cut the profit sharing PERCENT accrual but the actual profit sharing is going up by 25%.Again, let us know what unionized workforce in the airline industry will earn the equivalent of an extra month's salary?DL doesn't provide that kind of profit sharing because any union airline does it. They provide that level of profit sharing because their employees - unionized and non-unionized - recognize that when DL succeeds, they succeed - and therefore employees want nothing to do with anything that limits the compensation increases that have been coming continually to DL employees at an increasing rate since DL emerged from Bk.

So when there were small profits they gave them a big percent but when the profits go up they gave them a smaller percent, its still a cut. A months wages? Would that be based on pre concessions wages or post concessions wages? In reality at best they wont even be getting what they were getting before the concessions yet the company is making billion$.

 

[700UW]

Well we in the TWU were told we had to give it up because USAIR (IAM) didnt have profit sharing. Thanks.

What the IAM or doesnt have has nothing to do with what happens to you at AA and the TWU, the TWU negotiated away the profit sharing or was it a portion of it for a wage increase.
 
So since the IAM at US has a defined benefit plan, using your logic you should still have your pension and it not be frozen.

 

[Thomas Paine]

If you voted no on the 2010 TA you did it to yourself. You would have been making $38 four years ago under a TWU negotiated contract.

Still spreading lies? I believe Chuck works afternoons, what would his rate of pay be working afternoons with the 1cent shift differential under the 2010 deal? Maybe if we had asked to be released four years ago we might be earning those numbers but Don Videtich and Jim Little made sure that didn't happen. Instead they punished us by not asking and dragging things out till they filed. Has anybody seen Don? Is he back to work yet?

 

[Thomas Paine]

What the IAM or doesnt have has nothing to do with what happens to you at AA and the TWU, the TWU negotiated away the profit sharing or was it a portion of it for a wage increase.
 
So since the IAM at US has a defined benefit plan, using your logic you should still have your pension and it not be frozen.

So does the IAM have profit sharing? Or is the IAM the only union that doesn't have it at US?

As far as the pension, you have a DP provided by a failing union, a union that has seen its membership dwindle and will continue to dwindle. Sorry, but I think I would rather have real cash at this point than an IAM promise when it comes to my retirement.

 

[700UW]

The IAM National Pension Plan is funded to 105%, not all IAM members are in the plan.
 
A 401k is not real cash, go ask all the UA and US people who lost all their stock from their respective airlines in their 401k.  When the market crashed how much did people lose in their 401ks?
 
The IAMNPF is a mulit-employer plan and is in no danger of failing anytime soon.
 
See you like most people dont get that the IAMNPF is a separate entity from the IAM.
 
The IAM doesnt have profit sharing at US, that has nothing to do with the TWU and AA, your own union chose to change the profit sharing for a raise, now didnt they?

 

[Thomas Paine]

I believe with the AA/US merger the new AA has more AMTs than DL by far. The argument about saving jobs does hold weight. AA shrunk less than everyone else.

But the pay and benefits shrunk more. So by saving jobs do you mean saving people who have jobs from losing them or do you mean saving the union from losing dues as new hires come on under the concessions that incumbent workers had to take? The fact is we lost on both counts, we had incumbent workers lose their jobs, we had the Union lose dues and we have the worst deal ever, thanks to you. The bottom 600 guys were hired since we gave concessions in 2003, another couple of thousand are likely still working because of the concessions and our headcount is down by over 5000 mechanics jobs lost. lowest pay by far, and still lost 40% of the jobs, we didnt save anything, we destroyed a profession.

 

[Thomas Paine]

 and a CBA is unable to do anything to stop it - and yet you keep arguing how DL employees need one?

Perhaps, depends on what you put in the CBA but if you have a CBA (and a real Union) it can stop them from simply cutting your pay and benefits whenever they feel like it.

Does Delta still have the ban on Facial hair?

Do they still dictate how employees style their hair?

Do they still terminate people if they post anything on the internet they don't like?

Delta is giving their mechanics raises now because if they don't the mechanics will likely go union. With the influx of Pan Am and Northwest workers they no longer have the pure brainwashed staff they used to have, maybe they don't have to worry about the TWU or IAM coming but I have no doubt the mechanics at Delta are closely watching SWA and UAL. And if Delta doesn't give them at least what those guys are getting then they may very well be talking to either the AMFA or IBT in short order.

Ironically we see guys quitting Delta and even ending up at AA, but I have yet to see anyone quit and go work for Delta, they like to get them right out of school so they can brainwash them.

 

[Thomas Paine]

What a horribly condescending thing to say.
...

He just cant help himself. His type loves to offer Profit sharing to workers when there wont be any, then find excuses why they shouldn't pay it when there are.

 

[Thomas Paine]

So TWO out of thousands speak for all the FAs?
 
 

As long as those two are saying what management wants to hear they do.

 

[Thomas Paine]

The IAM National Pension Plan is funded to 105%, not all IAM members are in the plan.
 
A 401k is not real cash, go ask all the UA and US people who lost all their stock from their respective airlines in their 401k.  When the market crashed how much did people lose in their 401ks?
 
The IAMNPF is a mulit-employer plan and is in no danger of failing anytime soon.
 
See you like most people dont get that the IAMNPF is a separate entity from the IAM.
 
The IAM doesnt have profit sharing at US, that has nothing to do with the TWU and AA, your own union chose to change the profit sharing for a raise, now didnt they?

Well if you put your cash from your 401K into stock then you are putting it at risk, and our 401K is not going into company stock unless we opt for it. Not defending or saying its a great deal, just getting the facts out there. You claim the IAM plan is at 105%, 105% based on what? Isn't that also the plan that says that if you retire you cant collect if you continue to work somewhere else? Isn't that simply a way of making people stay till they are much closer to death? I'll tell you what I would like is the 9% match of a $100,000 salary like SWA gets, that beats anything your IIAM plan will ever pay, and if you want you can still work and not have your pension taken away.