Delta mechanics getting raise again
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Kev3188
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A few points of order:
This change was absolutely "thrust" upon the masses. The pilots & DX'ers may have had a say/vote, but I didn't.
That said, do I prefer getting more $$$ every 2 weeks? You bet. Why? Because the PS sharing percentage (percent of one's gross income) changes every year, depending on the C-suite's mood. WT has cited 8% a few times now, and that may turn out to be close in the end. The truth, though, is that no one'll know until mgmt. decides to tell us. IMO, PS is ancillary income, and not something anyone should bank on...
This change was absolutely "thrust" upon the masses. The pilots & DX'ers may have had a say/vote, but I didn't.
That said, do I prefer getting more $$$ every 2 weeks? You bet. Why? Because the PS sharing percentage (percent of one's gross income) changes every year, depending on the C-suite's mood. WT has cited 8% a few times now, and that may turn out to be close in the end. The truth, though, is that no one'll know until mgmt. decides to tell us. IMO, PS is ancillary income, and not something anyone should bank on...
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The profit sharing percentage DOES NOT change year to year, Kev. If you think it does, then tell us the percentages that DL has used for each of the years since you have been a DL employee.
The percentage that was used was know well in advance just as it is now.
DL mgmt polled DL employees who said they wanted higher base pay and less profit sharing. Amnesia much that you can't seem to remember either the survey or DL's statements saying that?
Further, you absolutely advocated on this forum that you supported reduced profit sharing percentages for an increased
The formula was made known to pilots as well and yet they are asking each other exactly what percentage their profit sharing will be.
And it still doesn't change that DL's profit sharing is larger than it has ever been which means you are getting a bigger profit sharing check for 2013 PLUS have been enjoying a pay raise.
swamt
I'm not sure what your point is but I have said repeatedly that WN is a well-run company and will deliver strong profits again.
Since the merger, WN's profitability has slowed.... try not to get so defensive when you hear that WN isn't quite all that you think it is and that it isn't miles ahead of the competition. It isn't.
Just like AA with the LGA markets, WN has decided they would just as soon stay as far from DL as possible. what AA is doing at LGA looks alot like what WN has done in ATL.
The percentage that was used was know well in advance just as it is now.
DL mgmt polled DL employees who said they wanted higher base pay and less profit sharing. Amnesia much that you can't seem to remember either the survey or DL's statements saying that?
Further, you absolutely advocated on this forum that you supported reduced profit sharing percentages for an increased
The formula was made known to pilots as well and yet they are asking each other exactly what percentage their profit sharing will be.
And it still doesn't change that DL's profit sharing is larger than it has ever been which means you are getting a bigger profit sharing check for 2013 PLUS have been enjoying a pay raise.
swamt
I'm not sure what your point is but I have said repeatedly that WN is a well-run company and will deliver strong profits again.
Since the merger, WN's profitability has slowed.... try not to get so defensive when you hear that WN isn't quite all that you think it is and that it isn't miles ahead of the competition. It isn't.
Just like AA with the LGA markets, WN has decided they would just as soon stay as far from DL as possible. what AA is doing at LGA looks alot like what WN has done in ATL.
and a CBA is unable to do anything to stop it - and yet you keep arguing how DL employees need one?700UW said:
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Wt you might want to reconsider that part about aa in lga theres an interesting article on capa thru www.justplanenews.com and it states that aa is competing fiercely against dl and in fact dl is dropping lga roa not to mention that aa has 32% and dl has 35% and thats just at lga
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yes I read it... see the post in the thread on the topic.
I'll be more than happy to be corrected if we find that AA's presence at LGA remains 2, 3, or 5 years down the road.
Would you like to bet Kev's profit sharing check? He has his doubts that it will be there in a few years anyway.
I'll be more than happy to be corrected if we find that AA's presence at LGA remains 2, 3, or 5 years down the road.
Would you like to bet Kev's profit sharing check? He has his doubts that it will be there in a few years anyway.
Kev3188
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Yes it does. You are confusing the 10 & 15% of first dollar profit number, with the percentage of an employee's gross income number. I'm not at home to look it up, but that number has absolutely changed every year.WorldTraveler said:
See above.
I might buy that except no one else saw it on their surveys, either.
Yep. Sure did. Who said I didn't? But if you're gonna quote mine me to try and make a case, at least use the full statement. I'll save you the burrowing, and you can just use the one in this thread where I explain why I prefer it.
In the interim, stop conflating the two separate pieces here. Kthx.
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well, duh. The takehome percentage changes because it is based on the company's earnings. The percent that is used as a percent of the company's profits is stable and changed only as a result of these employee desired changes.
DL is a large enough company that they can find a statistically significant sample by polling far less than 100%. It isn't surprising you weren't asked - but it has nothing against you. It is the way statistics work.
Your quote here further validates that you support now - and did before - decreasing the profit sharing percentage in order to gain higher base pay.
DL gave you what you wanted - and with it you got a larger profit sharing check than last year with a lower percentage plus you have had higher base pay for months.
AA's mechanics are well aware of the advantage in pay DL mechanics have... that is the subject of this thread.
DL is a large enough company that they can find a statistically significant sample by polling far less than 100%. It isn't surprising you weren't asked - but it has nothing against you. It is the way statistics work.
Your quote here further validates that you support now - and did before - decreasing the profit sharing percentage in order to gain higher base pay.
DL gave you what you wanted - and with it you got a larger profit sharing check than last year with a lower percentage plus you have had higher base pay for months.
AA's mechanics are well aware of the advantage in pay DL mechanics have... that is the subject of this thread.
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are you truly that dense that you can't admit that DL employees are getting a larger actual dollar profit sharing check regardless of the lower percentage?
You again are the best reason why DL employees want nothing to do with labor - and esp. the IAM.
You truly have no idea how much damage you do - not just here but on other public forums as well.
Can I hand you a shovel so you can throw the last load of dirt on any labor organizing efforts at DL?
You again are the best reason why DL employees want nothing to do with labor - and esp. the IAM.
You truly have no idea how much damage you do - not just here but on other public forums as well.
Can I hand you a shovel so you can throw the last load of dirt on any labor organizing efforts at DL?
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Spin it anyway you want.
If the DL employees were to receive 15% that would be larger than the 10% they are going to get.
Is that too hard for you to comprehend?
Yep every single anti-union DL employee wants nothing to do with a union because of me, that is the most absurd statement I have heard in a long time.
Do you have a degree in George Bush Fuzzy Math?
If the DL employees were to receive 15% that would be larger than the 10% they are going to get.
Is that too hard for you to comprehend?
Yep every single anti-union DL employee wants nothing to do with a union because of me, that is the most absurd statement I have heard in a long time.
Do you have a degree in George Bush Fuzzy Math?
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you do absolutely nothing to help labor's cause including the IAM's. When two active DL FAs come on here and tell you to accept that DL employees don't want anything to do with labor, the votes back them up as representative of the majority, and you continue down your endless tirades, then yes you damage the labor movement.
your endless arguments over warts such as the actual profit sharing percentage is a prime example of it. Most DL employees don't even understand the formula... Kev doesn't based on his responses here. that is ok because most just want more money.
The fact that you can't accept that DL employees are getting bigger profit sharing checks and pay raises is what they care about.
And it still doesn't change that despite pages and pages of comments from you, you still can't tell us any airline that is doing the same thing for its unionized workers, esp. DL's most direct legacy carrier peers of AA, UA, and US.
DL is doing for DL employees what no labor has done or can do and that is precisely why DL employees want hothing to do with the labor movement and AA employees want what DL employees have.
so you carry on with your foolishness..
your endless arguments over warts such as the actual profit sharing percentage is a prime example of it. Most DL employees don't even understand the formula... Kev doesn't based on his responses here. that is ok because most just want more money.
The fact that you can't accept that DL employees are getting bigger profit sharing checks and pay raises is what they care about.
And it still doesn't change that despite pages and pages of comments from you, you still can't tell us any airline that is doing the same thing for its unionized workers, esp. DL's most direct legacy carrier peers of AA, UA, and US.
DL is doing for DL employees what no labor has done or can do and that is precisely why DL employees want hothing to do with the labor movement and AA employees want what DL employees have.
so you carry on with your foolishness..
Kev3188
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Duh indeed. So why waste multiple posts stating otherwise?WorldTraveler said:
True, except the company claims it was asked in the annual employee survey. That is offered to all of us, and ostensibly everyone in 120 and/or 125 gets the same questions,right?
Again, duh. See my thoughts on bankable vs. variable income. See also the note about ever-changing formulas...
No, I happen to prefer what they unilaterally instituted. There's a difference.
Kev3188
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What a horribly condescending thing to say.WorldTraveler said:
Actually, I understand very the formula very well, and all the moving parts associated with it, including the difference between the 10 & 15% of first dollar #'s, and percentage of employee's gross income number.
I also know how the increase in base pay is at least partially offset by increases in employee-borne costs.
So yeah, I'm well versed, but what do I know? I'm "just" a crew chief on the ramp...
