Can Someone Please Verify This For Me?

[Atlantic]

This happned two weeks ago. PHL-Bos. PHL crew. Not to get into everything, the A, C, and the D/H FA found out that the seat that the agent said was there, was infact not. A didn't know this untill the A/C was taxing out.
A should have then told the C/O, but didn't. B found out during fight, and ratted them out after landing in BOS.
Did it affect safty of flight? No.
Should they have gone back to the gate? Of course.
Did B know that A,C,and the D/H F/A would loose thier jobs by ratting them out? Oh yea.
There are ways to handle non safty issues. Professional Standards is a starting point.
B's name is out there.

 

[Whatnow?]

Just out of curiousity....did this male F/A voice his concern before all this took place....or did he go along with it only to turn them all in when they arrived? What a snake....I hope he recieved some kind of reprimand....after all, he was part of the crew too!

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Just out of curiousity....did this male F/A voice his concern before all this took place....or did he go along with it only to turn them all in when they arrived? What a snake....I hope he recieved some kind of reprimand....after all, he was part of the crew too!

If this happened as described in an above post, then it points out a real problem with the system, not just the crew. It may be pure coincidence that this was a crew member and not a paying pax that this happened to, and that may have made the crew feel that they could deal with it in a rather lax manner. I agree that it wasn't handled correctly, and that the incident should have been reported to the Captain as soon as it became obvious.

 

[USAirBoyA330]

He (the one that ratted) was suspended indefinitely. And the rest of them were fired along with the NON-REV. Yes, his name is out there.

 

[Twicebaked]

OHHH, his name is out there? Is that a threat? So what? The guy was covering his own behind. I personally wouldn't have ratted, but I don't blame him for doing it. If I was on a flight with him, I wouldn't treat him any differently than I would have had he not done that.
We are an airline people, not the NY maffia.

 

[Whatnow?]

I guess it's a good thing that the "rat" was suspended too...with everyone having his name and knowing what took place, he would have it pretty miserable right now out on the line. Is it my understanding that the Captain had no idea about all of this until it hit the fan, well after that flight! Ouch!

 

[Whatnow?]

It's bad enough that the company thinks that we are too many in numbers and are trying to get rid of us....we shouldn't be trying to cancel each other out too! It was a terrible situation if played out like above.....the entire crew should have been grateful that nothing happened and "let it go" so to speak.....god knows after that flight, worrying about the right or wrong thing to do....none of them would have ever put themselves in that situation again!

 

[Colby]

With all the cut backs and not knowing the A/C type....Wasn't there an available JUMPSEAT ?????

 

[ClueByFour]

Did it affect safty of flight? No.
Should they have gone back to the gate? Of course.
Did B know that A,C,and the D/H F/A would loose thier jobs by ratting them out? Oh yea.
There are ways to handle non safty issues. Professional Standards is a starting point.
B's name is out there.

And here, I thought that W&B issues were not important for air transport aircraft. Who needs those silly dispatchers, anyway

Moreover, the question you omitted was: "Were all kinds of FAA regs violated?" Answer: yup.

This guy who brought the situation to the attention of the proper people did exactly the right thing. Instead of jumping up and down on his/her head (eg, "His/her name is out there,"), AFA should distance themselves from the terminated individuals, and help this person try to fight the suspension.

This is one of those times when the union can either do the right thing or try to fight to regain jobs for folks who were clearly involved in breaking FAA rules. Rules that exist for the safety of the flight. Safety of flight, you know, why the planes have FAs to begin with?

If it happened the way it is posted above.

Tell me this: by the logic presented in this thread, I should jump right up after wheels-up on my next flight and run to the lav--not waiting for the pilots to ring 10k, not waiting for the seatbelt sign to come off, or any of that. I mean, there are FAA regs that don't really count, right?

 

[TheLarkAscending]

This incident should not have been aired here in a public forum. This blantant act of misjudgment and the direct violations of FAR's is not fodder for public consumption, nor will it shine positively upon the F/A group, as a whole.

Second, if I were a paying member of the AFA, I would be really pissed if my dues were going to help save the collective jobs of these fools.

Finally, I would never want to fly with them if their jobs were saved. Safety first, not when "my needs are met" and then I will fit it in. I'm ashamed to read this kind of garbage on here.

 

[Atlantic]

Clue,
How many FAR's were busted. I don't know. I stay away from those.
They should have gone back to the gate? No question.
Did the A/C fly any different? No.
The F/A's (A,C, and the D/H) got way over their heads.
They should have reported to the C/O.
They didn't, and lost their jobs.
And that is what happenes when you do something dumb.

 

[PSA1979]

We as f/a's can't pick and choose which FAR's we decide to enforce. Our job is to enforce them all. If we violate them, then we are as bad as the cop that uses his badge to beat up the handcuffed prisoner, or gets free meals to protect the cafe. We are there for one purpose, the safety of our passengers. Just because the airplane was not affected (safety wise) or no harm came to any one makes no difference. We could just not do a safety demo, or just not check the cabin, or just not make those pax put on their seat belts and 1,000,000 times it will be ok. But what if we didn't do those things and God forbid we aborted a take off and had to evacuate? Or the landing gear collapsed, or whatever? All those little things matter alot in an emergency, and like I said, THAT IS WHAT WE F/A'S ARE THERE FOR!!!!!

 

[Ch. 12]

It's bad enough that the company thinks that we are too many in numbers and are trying to get rid of us....we shouldn't be trying to cancel each other out too! It was a terrible situation if played out like above.....the entire crew should have been grateful that nothing happened and "let it go" so to speak.....god knows after that flight, worrying about the right or wrong thing to do....none of them would have ever put themselves in that situation again!

This is disturbing. They knew what the potential consequences were and the put themselves in that situation. Why, then, would they never put themselves in this situation again if they weren't terminated? They did it once knowing the consequences, they would do it again. Kudos for the only one with common sense enough to report that what they did was wrong. This is somebody that risked their own job b/c they knew that safety was overlooked on this flight. He mopped up the problem including himself. I can guarantee you...they will never put themselves in that situation because the proper action has been taken.

Drunk pilots don't just get a slap on the wrist if they can successfully taxi an a/c. The lose their job b/c they ignored the safety of their passengers. Same goes with f/a's that ignore rules enforced because of weight issues, etc. Fire 'em and don't use the "rat" as a scapegoat b/c he did what was right. I think he deserves more respect now.

 

[USAirBoyA330]

When I said "his name is out there" is was an observation. I couldn't care less what he did because I would never be in a situation like this in the first place. I have flown with the person that came forward before and I will say that this was par for his personality and if he thought they were going to discipline him, he would have never come forward.
With over 3,000 F/A's out on furlough I think AFA's time can be MUCH better used elsewhere than spending endless meeting trying to get these peoples jobs back. Sometime things are just inexcusable.

 

[Hula Girl]

The best way to handle something like this is to call your union representatives. I agree with the previous poster, this should not be on a public forum.