Call sign decision?

[PHL]

While flying on UA listening to channel 9, I still heard references from ATC to "Cactus 123". Now that the certs are merged, what's the plan for a unified call sign? I know there was a thread about this a while ago, but I don't recall seeing a final answer.

 

[rjh]

While flying on UA listening to channel 9, I still heard references from ATC to "Cactus 123". Now that the certs are merged, what's the plan for a unified call sign? I know there was a thread about this a while ago, but I don't recall seeing a final answer.

I heard the plan is still to go to Cactus--but they will continue to use 2 separate call signs for now.

 

[Mtnman928]

I heard the plan is still to go to Cactus--but they will continue to use 2 separate call signs for now.

Please correct me if I am wrong but I thought ICAO or the EU said they couldn't use Cactus but had to use the name of the airline as a call sign. Anyone know for sure?

MM

 

[exB717Flyer]

Please correct me if I am wrong but I thought ICAO or the EU said they couldn't use Cactus but had to use the name of the airline as a call sign. Anyone know for sure?

You think they're going to force British Airways to change their callsign from "Speedbird"? Or China Airlines from "Dynasty"? Not bloody likely.

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The orginal plan was for "cactus" to be the new callsign for the whole airline. Management gave-in to the East's tantrum by allowing them to temporarily keep using "USAir" on the grounds of "safety". I know for a fact this is bull excrement because I was at TWA when we had to change our callsign to "American'. It sucked and we were angry but we were professionals and we did our job. So too would/will the East guys when the inevitable change comes.

 

[767jetz]

Management gave-in to the East's tantrum by allowing them to temporarily keep using "USAir"

I hate to say this, but just another example of their MO. When they don't get what they want, exactly how they want... throw a tantrum until someone gives in. Like a child with a discipline problem, eventually they have to learn to grow up. Time to call in the "Super Nanny!"

 

[allstrike]

Ya know,you work for USAIR,and fly for USAIR.Why dont you hold your head up,bite your tounge and and us the callsign USAIR. Start trying to be proud of who we are and maybe it will start to show all around.Remember the only one that can drag you down is you.Fly with pride and a smile.It will make a differance.Tell your self i get paid for doing this,flying hey you guys fly cause you love it right.Love what your doing not who your doing it for.The name wil be around longer than we will I think.

 

[767jetz]

Ya know,you work for USAIR,and fly for USAIR.Why dont you hold your head up,bite your tounge and and us the callsign USAIR. Start trying to be proud of who we are and maybe it will start to show all around.

You know, I actually agree with you, to some extent. The call sign is pretty irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, as I've said from the start. If USAirways ends up being the final call sign, I'll bet the West pilots will do exactly that and use the name with pride. Their initial argument was that since the combined company used the USAirways name, why not use the Cactus callsign to preserve some heritage from one peice of the new airline. It was the East who was up in arms about even the thought of using the Cactus callsign. A typical emotional tantrum with zero consideration for anyone but themselves. Just the thought of giving an inch was a huge blow to their perceived ego.

So your same argument could be used in support of a Cactus call sign... bite your tongue and be proud of your new airline and one of the parts that made it what it is today.

I really think the whole callsign debate is petty. They should just flip a coin and be done with it.

 

[etops1]

why not change the call sign to "heritage" or "phoenix". i think phoenix is already taken but. i haven't heard anyone say heritage.

 

[Whatnow?]

Not to take any sides in this insignificant rant but it does make sense to keep the call sign the same, after all the airline is STILL called USAirways isn't it? And yes, there is "pride" and "heritage" associated with the name of an airline that's been around for 50-60 years.

 

[Elevation]

Cactus is too good of a call sign to be used on this place. Retire its untarnished safety record with dignity.

 

[Whatnow?]

Cactus is too good of a call sign to be used on this place. Retire its untarnished safety record with dignity.

That is not the pride I was talking about.....as with AWA, believe it or not, the US employees have a lot of pride in a company they've contributed their blood, sweat, and tears to keep alive! That's what I was talking about!

 

[OTslave]

why not change the call sign to "heritage" or "phoenix". i think phoenix is already taken but. i haven't heard anyone say heritage.

"Doublewide" is still available

 

[rjh]

That is not the pride I was talking about.....as with AWA, believe it or not, the US employees have a lot of pride in a company they've contributed their blood, sweat, and tears to keep alive! That's what I was talking about!

yes, and like you said, so do the AWA employees. so what' wrong with giving them a little piece of their heritage. This is something that is completely invisible to everyone except pilots and ATC.

 

[Whatnow?]

Absolutely, I guess the best thing to do in this situation was/is to create a "new" callsign for the Airline.

 

[rjh]

You know, I actually agree with you, to some extent. The call sign is pretty irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, as I've said from the start. If USAirways ends up being the final call sign, I'll bet the West pilots will do exactly that and use the name with pride. Their initial argument was that since the combined company used the USAirways name, why not use the Cactus callsign to preserve some heritage from one peice of the new airline. It was the East who was up in arms about even the thought of using the Cactus callsign. A typical emotional tantrum with zero consideration for anyone but themselves. Just the thought of giving an inch was a huge blow to their perceived ego.

So your same argument could be used in support of a Cactus call sign... bite your tongue and be proud of your new airline and one of the parts that made it what it is today.

I really think the whole callsign debate is petty. They should just flip a coin and be done with it.

The east doesn't know the meaning of compromise. When the boarding priority was announced, the only complaint you heard from the west was AFA filing a grievance. But east peoplle complained, on here, that it wasn't completely DOH. If it had gone to FCFS, you can bet the vast majority of east people would have whined all day. People on the west were disappointed, but accpeted it, and realzlied they still get to fly for free.

SAme with the call sign. ..the doesn't get something their way, they #### and moan about it constantly.