Big Announcement Coming Next Friday
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How many slots would LCC and AMR have at DCA?
I think -if- this move has anything to do with mergering with an airline, Continental would be the only airline that makes sense.
LCC + AMR at DCA would be too large, no?
UAL already has IAD
Continental has no significant presence in the DC area but has a sizeable operation in NYC. So, if this would be a merger move (which I don't think it is), I'd take a stab and guess that it'd be a Continental/US Airways merger.
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Multiple Choice:
a. pre-merger activity
b. dividing the pie between airlines
c. furniture burning
I'll have to go with c.
a. pre-merger activity
b. dividing the pie between airlines
c. furniture burning
I'll have to go with c.
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Not unless they are going to Saturday only.
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US Airways LGA personnel have discussed reports US Airways has been in discussion with Delta Air Lines regarding LGA and DCA operations for a couple of months. If you remember in June I made the comment “do not be surprised if there is a big NYC announcement in the not-too-distant future,†but due to the sensitivity of the discussions and to not needlessly raise employee concern over something that may not happen I did not go into detail.
On Thursday, July 9, 2009 US Airways COO Robert Isom, SVP of East Coast, International, & Cargo Susan Boda, Director of Customer Service Steve Rader, LGA Station Manager Loretta Bove, LGA Express Station Manager John Rock, LGA Chief Pilot Ed Schmdit, all 4 LGA Department Head Managers, PANYNJ, and Delta officials met is US Airways LGA Conference Room, who I saw in the terminal or near the conference room.
LGA is a small station and when a meeting like this occurs everybody in the station knows about the meeting. The station has a tight knit group of employees across all job classifications. Each meeting attendee signed a confidentiality agreement and very little meeting information has been disclosed to employees.
Here are some points that I believe are accurate, but are not confirmed:
• Delta and US Airways are in talks about a strategic transaction.
• There are 5 or 6 scenarios being discussed.
• The transaction will not be a merger.
• The parties are discussing exchanging facilities.
• US Airways Group may grow DCA and receive Delta DCA assets.
• US Airways Group could have a smaller LGA operation.
• US Airways will continue to operate the Shuttle with Airbus aircraft and have an LGA flight crew base.
• It will take 6 to 12 months to get approval of any transaction and for the parties to move operations.
• Scott Kirby has told LGA-based pilots a number of times the company would like to fly from LGA to both PHX and LAS. Andrew Norcella has been seen meeting with PANYNJ officials a number of times in the Club trying the get a perimeter rule exception, but the carrier has been unsuccessful. It's unclear if the perimeter rule waiver is part of the widely rumored Delta deal, but I currently believe the Port will permit US Airways to fly to PHX or LAS (yet).
US Airways’ LGA terminal has 22 gates (11-22), with 10 used by Mainline/Republic and 12 used by Express. The 12 Express gates have 15 parking spots. Thus, US Airways has the capability to simultaneously park 25 aircraft.
The Delta terminal has 11 gates and 4 RJ parking spots located on the east side of the ramp. Interestingly, the DAL Express spots are owned by US Airways, they were obtained from the Trump Shuttle merger, and these spots are leased to Delta. At its main terminal Delta has the capability to park 15 aircraft. In addition, Delta operates its shuttle out of the MAT, which has 6 gates.
It’s unclear what will be the final make up of the transaction and I do not know how, or of, any tranaction will proceed. Furthermore, I do not have any inside information and every person who attended Robert Isom’s meeting, where LGA management was told of the different options, are discussing what they learned at the meeting and they’re not violating their confidentiality agreement.
Finally, Scott Kirby is holding a Crew News Session on Wednesday, July 29. It would not surprise me if Scott is asked questions about the potential LGA transaction and a possible sale or lease of the E-190s.
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USA320Pilot
On Thursday, July 9, 2009 US Airways COO Robert Isom, SVP of East Coast, International, & Cargo Susan Boda, Director of Customer Service Steve Rader, LGA Station Manager Loretta Bove, LGA Express Station Manager John Rock, LGA Chief Pilot Ed Schmdit, all 4 LGA Department Head Managers, PANYNJ, and Delta officials met is US Airways LGA Conference Room, who I saw in the terminal or near the conference room.
LGA is a small station and when a meeting like this occurs everybody in the station knows about the meeting. The station has a tight knit group of employees across all job classifications. Each meeting attendee signed a confidentiality agreement and very little meeting information has been disclosed to employees.
Here are some points that I believe are accurate, but are not confirmed:
• Delta and US Airways are in talks about a strategic transaction.
• There are 5 or 6 scenarios being discussed.
• The transaction will not be a merger.
• The parties are discussing exchanging facilities.
• US Airways Group may grow DCA and receive Delta DCA assets.
• US Airways Group could have a smaller LGA operation.
• US Airways will continue to operate the Shuttle with Airbus aircraft and have an LGA flight crew base.
• It will take 6 to 12 months to get approval of any transaction and for the parties to move operations.
• Scott Kirby has told LGA-based pilots a number of times the company would like to fly from LGA to both PHX and LAS. Andrew Norcella has been seen meeting with PANYNJ officials a number of times in the Club trying the get a perimeter rule exception, but the carrier has been unsuccessful. It's unclear if the perimeter rule waiver is part of the widely rumored Delta deal, but I currently believe the Port will permit US Airways to fly to PHX or LAS (yet).
US Airways’ LGA terminal has 22 gates (11-22), with 10 used by Mainline/Republic and 12 used by Express. The 12 Express gates have 15 parking spots. Thus, US Airways has the capability to simultaneously park 25 aircraft.
The Delta terminal has 11 gates and 4 RJ parking spots located on the east side of the ramp. Interestingly, the DAL Express spots are owned by US Airways, they were obtained from the Trump Shuttle merger, and these spots are leased to Delta. At its main terminal Delta has the capability to park 15 aircraft. In addition, Delta operates its shuttle out of the MAT, which has 6 gates.
It’s unclear what will be the final make up of the transaction and I do not know how, or of, any tranaction will proceed. Furthermore, I do not have any inside information and every person who attended Robert Isom’s meeting, where LGA management was told of the different options, are discussing what they learned at the meeting and they’re not violating their confidentiality agreement.
Finally, Scott Kirby is holding a Crew News Session on Wednesday, July 29. It would not surprise me if Scott is asked questions about the potential LGA transaction and a possible sale or lease of the E-190s.
Regards,
USA320Pilot
Like I said before, CO owns the terminal, US is just a leaseholder, anything done has to be approved by CO.
And DL all ready announced today their consolodation of DCA operations with NW. NW will move from Terminal A, where it has been for decades, to Delta's location in Terminal B by October 20, 2009 at DCA.
Only freeing up four gates in Terminal A.
And DL all ready announced today their consolodation of DCA operations with NW. NW will move from Terminal A, where it has been for decades, to Delta's location in Terminal B by October 20, 2009 at DCA.
Only freeing up four gates in Terminal A.
Personally, I think that this would be a bad move for US. LGA is a great terminal, and from what i can see, it gets highly utilized. The marine terminal looks outdated and just old. US has been in the terminal for quite a long time, and looks like they should belong there. All of US flights out of LGA are always full, and i think they need that terminal.
DCA however, isnt US the biggest there already ?
DCA however, isnt US the biggest there already ?
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I may have missed this in the 8 pages on this thread. With Southwest now in the LGA market, you know they are not going to be content to play with the small amount of slots they have. Now with Southwest, JetBlue, AirTran, and Spirit, yields in LGA are likely not going to be on the rise.
I hate to see the LGA ops shrink, but long term (I know, Tempe is on short term views) remaining the dominant player in a limited growth airport like DCA isn't a bad thing.
I hate to see the LGA ops shrink, but long term (I know, Tempe is on short term views) remaining the dominant player in a limited growth airport like DCA isn't a bad thing.
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I cannot confirm any confidential information, but I believe this thread has hallucinogenic properties.
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Mgmt has downsized the aircraft gauge significantly in LGA. They have also shortened the list of non-stop LGA city pairs dramatically.
Factor in LUV arriving and the new rules limiting RJ's (and their subsequent clogging effect), and you come to the conclusion that you either have to be a big player in LGA, or not play at all.
Unfortunately, mgmt has once again painted themselves into a corner, and are sounding retreat.
LCC should have a white flag painted on the tails of their aircraft.
Bon Voyage.
Factor in LUV arriving and the new rules limiting RJ's (and their subsequent clogging effect), and you come to the conclusion that you either have to be a big player in LGA, or not play at all.
Unfortunately, mgmt has once again painted themselves into a corner, and are sounding retreat.
LCC should have a white flag painted on the tails of their aircraft.
Bon Voyage.
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Had the 3 Star Alliance carriers at LGA UA/US/AC, been brought under one roof (as was discussed in the past); perhaps there would have not been a need for this move. Now with continuous dwindling mainline service by US, it's hard to explain why you need a 21 gate terminal, when all you fly to with larger jets are DCA, BOS and CLT.
As someone else pointed out earlier in the thread, it's hard to believe that with such a large O&D base in the NYC area, the only profitable could be just 3 destinations.
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Even Tempe isnt that interested inPHL....which is really sad....If invested in wisely and operated correctly we would be a stellar hub....IF IF IF.....
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