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[Frank Szabo]

I miss those Crandall meetings.

... as do I.

Those meetings certainly seemed to keep the local management in line rather than running amok as they do presently. Unfortunately, our "Great Team of Accountants" decided the meetings would be held off base, not on company time - that's what made them work in the first place. I always got a charge out of the behind-the-curtain activity when someone made a good point and the (mis)management started scrambling trying to fix the problems they had allowed to fester.

Uncle Bob was an SOB, but he was our SOB. Management was held accountable and also at a necessary level (Crandall understood management was parasitic in nature) rather than the present infestation of 80% over what's necessary for the company to function properly.

One could tell when it was time to leave - the stupid questions started rolling in. Most memorable was the fool who asked Crandall why third shift (mids) had to come in at 2230 and work eight hours (rather than six) "since they didn't do anything anyway for the first two hours of their shift". BRILLIANT !!

I wouldn't want that stupid SOB working on a lawnmower, let alone an aircraft - even a model - but he's probably close to retirement now after a "Long and Productive career at AA" or perhaps, as the proper qualifications are self-evident, a manager or director.

 

[Hackman]

They will not need to find that many to "replace" you. Your fellow mechanics will crawl over each other to take the good jobs that the company offers up. I understand your position (I am a former NWA striking mechanic that was replaced by my own fellow union member).

Unfortunately, this is the sad fact, especially regarding the TWu's history. Don't know if you heard this tragic fact tech2101, the TWu held a "job fair" in 2005 at MCI during the NWA AMFA strike, and recruited scabs to assist Dougie Stealin', the IAm, and Scab Air in breaking the AMFA strike. I don"t know the number of scabs the TWu ended up getting to cross the NWA picket line, but I know they got some. I have looked at the NWA scab list and didn't see anyone I knew.

Another sad fact, is during the last AMFA drive here at AA, the TWu paid a IAm goober to fly down from MSP to our local and tell the TWu members how bad AMFA was at NWA, and how good the TWu Company Union was for us. It was real joke to hear this clown talk about unionism.... it gets better. He is one of your IAm scabs that crossed the picket line as fast as he could, and a good IAm scab union man he was too. Can't remember his name off hand, but I did see his fugly mug on the NWA Scab mug shots of the cursed and eternally damned.

AA hired former Eastern scabs that were gladly welcomed into the TWu fold back in the day, so it's not just NWA/AMFA, it's anything for those almighty dues. Scab or not.

If the TWu International ever called a strike at AA it would be over the first day more than likely.

 

[TWU informer]

Hackman,

I can remember that SCABS name - Jerry Sowells

You remember personal attack stories about me that I cannot even recall and yet you forget this SCABS name. Dammit, I apologize for whatever I did to get on your list but nobody involved with AMFA vs TWU or AMFA vs NWA should ever forget this name.


Here is a link to USA Today Story about AMFA Picketers setup outisde SCAB SOWELLS house.

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2005-11-02-northwest-strike_x.htm

Also you can find photos of SCAB SOWELLS and others here:
http://exnwa.com/pdf/scabphotos_feb09.pdf

Let not anyone forget their names, Let not anyone make a post about them being a scab without using their name.

 

[Hackman]

Hackman,

I can remember that SCABS name - Jerry Sowell

You remember #### about me that I cannot even recall and yet you forget this SCABS name. Dammit, I apologize for whatever I did to get on your list but nobody involved with AMFA vs TWU or AMFA vs NWA should ever forget this name.

Yup, that's the POS. Only got to meet him once, and I guess he didn't impress me like you did huh? The TWu used our dues money to pay a IAm scab to tell us about unionism.....

How appropriate <_<

BTW, since your on a roll Informer, do you have the list of EAL scabs we have here at AA? Might as well play with those toys too....can't forget them either.

 

[Kev3188]

Actually, Sowells wasn't too loved by the IAM membership, either. Several years ago, he came into the ramp break room in MEM, and peddled the "this is the best offer you're going to get" routine we all have heard too many times. When it was pointed out that he was actually an AMT, and had nothing to do with our negotiations, a near riot broke out, and he had to be hastily escorted out.

 

[High Speed Steel]

Don't forget AMFA deserves a great deal of credit for their failure at NW. AMFA had already eroded the core of their overhaul at NW with previously negotiated language years prior to the strike and NW had enjoyed outsourcing their heavy maintenance work thanks to this language. Also, I recall there were some members of the AMFA that were encouraged to support the strike, but when it was over, AMFA eliminated their jobs too and those members were told to take a hike...

 

[Hackman]

Don't forget AMFA deserves a great deal of credit for their failure at NW. The AMFA had already eroded the core of their overhaul at NW with previously negotiated language years prior to the strike and NW had already enjoyed outsourcing their heavy maintenance work thanks to this language. Also, I recall there were some members of the AMFA that were encouraged to support the strike, but when it was over, AMFA eliminated their jobs and those members were told to take a hike...

WTF? You been snortin' cuttin' oil again Speedy? Who did the "eroding"???? You had better check your IAm/NWA facts (other than what the TWu International has told you). It was the IAm with the "previously negotiated language" that started the outsourcing of the DC10's and the 747's to China long before AMFA ever got on the NWA property. This was one of the main reasons the IAm was booted by AMFA from NWA.

Look it up. Then come back and fill us in on some more entertaining TWu bubba facts.

AMFA eliminated who's jobs??? Wasn't that NWA that eliminated jobs???

So using your reasoning, it was the TWu that eliminated 5000 jobs at AA and not mAAnagement? Right??? :blink:

 

[TWU informer]

Don't forget AMFA deserves a great deal of credit for their failure at NW. AMFA had already eroded the core of their overhaul at NW with previously negotiated language years prior to the strike and NW had already enjoyed outsourcing their heavy maintenance work thanks to this language. Also, I recall there were some members of the AMFA that were encouraged to support the strike, but when it was over, AMFA eliminated their jobs too and those members were told to take a hike...

You have been working FOR the TWU too long. Union's don't outsource jobs, Union's don't eliminate workers jobs. Companies take care of that.

Be Careful making too big of an issue. Just as at NWA there were two recently heard arbitration cases that if lost by the TWU you better hold onto your own ass. By the way, if the Union outsources the jobs then why file the grievance to begin with? Are you grieving against yourself?

Stop buying into that TWU is saving you from yourself mentality, it makes you appear like one of those blind followers instead of someone with your own opinions.


When the TWU loses one or both of these cases, are you going to blame the TWU or AA Management? We have the weakest scope language in the industry, but AA Management has not used it yet because the TWU is always licking the boot. Turn to a more militant style membership and see where TWU so-called superior language gets you.

Or are you just giving justification for the TWU using SCAB SOWELLS to speak with the Shop Stewards about AMFA? And paying dues money for the scabs trip at that.

 

[High Speed Steel]

WTF? You been snortin' cuttin' oil again Speedy? Who did the "eroding"???? You had better check your IAm/NWA facts (other than what the TWu International has told you). It was the IAm with the "previously negotiated language" that started the outsourcing of the DC10's and the 747's to China long before AMFA ever got on the NWA property. This was one of the main reasons the IAm was booted by AMFA from NWA.

Look it up. Then come back and fill us in on some more entertaining TWu bubba facts.

AMFA eliminated who's jobs??? Wasn't that NWA that eliminated jobs???

So using your reasoning, it was the TWu that eliminated 5000 jobs at AA and not mAAnagement? Right??? :blink:

Hackman, I believe it was articles 2, 9, and 11 that I seen very dramatic changes AMFA had altered from the previous IAM/NWA language. Excuse me for running off memory here but I believe the three articles I pointed out were their Scope, Qualifications, and Reduction in Force language that was altered by AMFA. I do remember something in their Scope that required the company to pay a fee to AMFA if NWA outsourced work and it must have been cheaper for NWA to pay the fee than face argument over the issue and this was what AMFA negotiated my friend....

 

[Hackman]

Hackman, I believe it was articles 2, 9, and 11 that I seen very dramatic changes AMFA had altered from the previous IAM/NWA language. Excuse me for running off memory here but I believe the three articles I pointed out were their Scope, Qualifications, and Reduction in Force language that was altered by AMFA. I do remember something in their Scope that required the company to pay a fee to AMFA if NWA outsourced work and it must have been cheaper for NWA to pay the fee than face argument over the issue and this was what AMFA negotiated my friend....

"Shut up stupid, and go sit in the truck."

 

[787nightmare]

Unfortunately, this is the sad fact, especially regarding the TWu's history. Don't know if you heard this tragic fact tech2101, the TWu held a "job fair" in 2005 at MCI during the NWA AMFA strike, and recruited scabs to assist Dougie Stealin', the IAm, and Scab Air in breaking the AMFA strike. I don"t know the number of scabs the TWu ended up getting to cross the NWA picket line, but I know they got some. I have looked at the NWA scab list and didn't see anyone I knew.

Another sad fact, is during the last AMFA drive here at AA, the TWu paid a IAm goober to fly down from MSP to our local and tell the TWu members how bad AMFA was at NWA, and how good the TWu Company Union was for us. It was real joke to hear this clown talk about unionism.... it gets better. He is one of your IAm scabs that crossed the picket line as fast as he could, and a good IAm scab union man he was too. Can't remember his name off hand, but I did see his fugly mug on the NWA Scab mug shots of the cursed and eternally damned.

AA hired former Eastern scabs that were gladly welcomed into the TWu fold back in the day, so it's not just NWA/AMFA, it's anything for those almighty dues. Scab or not.

If the TWu International ever called a strike at AA it would be over the first day more than likely.

Boeings got a whole bunch of scabs on the property. NWA & Boeing.
Ya know...you would think the IAM would put SOMETHING up, SOMEWHERE showing all the world the names/mugs of the scabs. But nope. Nothing.(you hear the crickets?)
As far as I know, not even on there website. No list on the union boards in the hallways, nothing.

Just simply proof positive that the IAM is fricken scab union and care nothing about it, so long as they get your dues money. This just sickens me...
For all the talk of "stay united", "stay supportive of your negotiators"...blah, blah, blah...it's all a big fricken dog & pony show. I truly believe these limp wristed AFL-CIO catch-all unions are nothing more than another business, and play us as FOOLS. We are being played for CHUMPS guys.

Like I said before...."hell, it's no wonder the companys see us as unprofessional goons". You got idiots stampeding themselves to take our jobs while out on strike. Our unions are company pushovers at the table. I would just LOVE to be sitting in on the negotiations...
I bet we'd be speechless walking out of the room.

 

[767 mechanic]

Hackman, I believe it was articles 2, 9, and 11 that I seen very dramatic changes AMFA had altered from the previous IAM/NWA language. Excuse me for running off memory here but I believe the three articles I pointed out were their Scope, Qualifications, and Reduction in Force language that was altered by AMFA. I do remember something in their Scope that required the company to pay a fee to AMFA if NWA outsourced work and it must have been cheaper for NWA to pay the fee than face argument over the issue and this was what AMFA negotiated my friend....

If I remember correctly the IAM had language that allowed 100% outsourcing as long as NWA did not lay anybody off,but this did not take into account attrition through retirements deaths and other ways. So in other words the membership would decline annually. The language that the AMFA put in was a cap on outsourcing at 40% with a penalty if they went over. The iam had NO CAP so if you are going to tell the facts tell all of them so that everybody knows the truth. You are a tipical representative of the twu tell half the truth and spin the rest.

 

[enough already]

Hackman,

I can remember that SCABS name - Jerry Sowells


Let not anyone forget their names, Let not anyone make a post about them being a scab without using their name.

The idiot twu sheep I work with don't even know the proper definition of SCAB. They think if you want to even consider replacing the POS twu with a real union, that it makes you a SCAB.... :blink:

 

[Interested]

SCAB, is that something the you pick so you can watch it bleed again?

I remember when some came to TULE, several of the Pan-Am/Eastern employees started pointing them out. One can not describe the look of hurt, disgust and hate on the faces of the non-scabs..

 

[TWU informer]

The idiot twu sheep I work with don't even know the proper definition of SCAB. They think if you want to even consider replacing the POS twu with a real union, that it makes you a SCAB.... :blink:

It's all pretty ironic when you think about it.

The Machinist hanging the Anti-SCAB Banner from their shop hoist.

Them Ratting out the AMT with the disposable camera taking pictures to H.R. for disciplne.

The NWA Mechanic hired by the TWU to speak with the Shop Stewards turns out to be a confirmed SCAB

Kevin Hammack and Kevin Thompson both ring leaders of teAAmTWU against AMFA are both in Management now.

The fact there are still 100+ Dual Unionism charges pending against Union Members that were postponed due to a Bruce Nichols being deployed to Bosnia. Never Had the Trials.

A Maintenance Base Shuttered (MCI) and over 5000 Union jobs have been lost via attrition.

After nearly 8 years of working under Industry Leading Concessions and still no negotiated agreement.

Claims of a Pajama Party going to create Thrid Party Work and save the profession sputters and falls away.

And yet, the TWU Faithful still have their list of Anti-AMFA sound bites to defend this union.

If they would only hold the TWU to the same standard they hold AMFA or AMP they would realize how foolish they appear and recognize they are not Union Men or Leaders, they are Zealots towing a party line based on emotion instead of logic or facts.

I even recently saw that Captain Kirk Wells was apparently re-hired by AA. At least I have seen him on the Tulsa Base no less than 5 times in the last 3 weeks. I remember o'le Kirk and his.........hmmmm, No lets leave the sad and factual personals out of this one.