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[High Speed Steel]

In the words of a famous ex-Gunny "What are you talking about you Jack Wagon?!!"

You continue to preach twu from behind your warm, fuzzy alias. You know exactly what I am talking about. At the LOCAL level officers are elected and can be removed it is the INTERNATIONAL level that this is impossible.

Now come and tell everyone why twu int. officers are appointed and NOT elected.

Again you are wrong sport....

 

[odie01]

Again you are wrong sport....

Please tell us why Ken is wrong. How can the membership elect or recall a international twu officer? We've been through this a million times. Please, if your reading this and you have not signed an AMP card yet, now is the time,
Thanks

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

Again you are wrong sport....

Wrong about your believing in the twu yet posting from behind an alias?

Oh, you mean about international officers being able to be held accountable by being recalled?

Why don't you explain for all reading your spoon fed lies the way things are done? Don't copy and paste like your alter ego cio did in the "non"debate.

The only way an int. rep. is removed from office is not by the membership but by those who appointed them in the first place. Heck, just ask "Hands in their pants" burchette or "rumble in first class" yingst. They were both booted out because even they weren't wanted by the self appointed.

GO AMP!

 

[DallasConehead]

Please tell us why Ken is wrong. How can the membership elect or recall a international twu officer? We've been through this a million times. Please, if your reading this and you have not signed an AMP card yet, now is the time,
Thanks

Well, technically, international officers can be voted out by the bought and paid for delegates at the Las Vegas Drunkfest. But its a sham, with all the mongerring going on and corrupt political quid pro quo, and the booze flowing as freely as a frat party during rush week. I mean come on, Little Jimmy has his victory party bought and paid for, (with the dues money of course), before the delegates ever cast their "the yeas have it" vote, that Little Jimmy will be the judge of.

 

[Interested]

I can answer this. AMP like the TWU would be bound by the rules of the Railway Labor Act and mediated negotiations.

So, the question is still open, if AMP were to take over right now, how would they differ in the mediated negotiations?

 

[TWU informer]

So, the question is still open, if AMP were to take over right now, how would they differ in the mediated negotiations?

In my opinion there wouldn't be much difference in NMB Mediated Negotiations. Alhtough using the emotional outburst from the failed T/A as a means to get cards is not a bad idea, the fact remains that a need for Union Leadership Accontability is what sets in motion these card drives. It is not just failed negotiations that cause these drives to spring to life, the failed negotiations is a symptom of the real problem of International Appointments in exchange for political favors from Constitutional Conventions, Negotiations, and simple day to day operations of the Union.

Anyone that believes these drives only happen because of negotiations, needs to seriously look at the History behind the drives of the past. Some in the TWU are hoping to connect the dots to negotiations and then pray a decent agreement is had and stops this movement, before the NMB is counting the cards again.

Nobody ever seems interested enough to educate themselves on the real facts, which are embedded in the proceedings of the past TWU Constitutional Convention Minutes.

If you really want some untarnished and unemotional facts regarding the TWU simply call the Interntational and ask for Publications. Ask to be given copies of the 1989, 1993,1997, 2001, 2005, and 2009 Convention Proceedings/Minutes. These are stenographic reports of everything said at the convention. Once you read these, you will have a better understanding of WHY these card drives happen. Once you read these you too will sign a card or become the next organizer of a drive. Reading those minutes is what turned me from an AMFA basher to a Chairman of an Organzing Committee. I suspect the same reaction from anyone who actually takes the time to read the facts. And the great thing is, these facts are provided by the TWU. At one point I had a Power Point Presentation showing many of the highlights of these Conventions and other documented failures of the TWU. Although it took considerable time to put together, some here even ridiculed those efforts.


Or you can take the easier softer way and watch this board for more trash talk about alias user ID's and playground talk about having the balls to take a stand along with name calling and lies that are nothing more than personal attacks. These tactics will get ZERO cards signed, and this drive will fail unless the focus remains on the real problem. Your choice but the printed proceedings are worth your time to read. The TWU's history is all that is needed to remove them, but the name calling and playground antics appear to be much more fun to some.

 

[Interested]

Very well said Informer,

 

[tech2101]

I don't think they can find enough qualified mechanics to replace us.

They will not need to find that many to "replace" you. Your fellow mechanics will crawl over each other to take the good jobs that the company offers up. I understand your position (I am a former NWA striking mechanic that was replaced by my own fellow union member).

They will raid AAR, TIMCO, etc., to get the needed people to work the aircraft. They will only be needed long enough to get the experienced mechanics (from within your ranks) necessary for long-term operation to cross their own picket line. The road map for this success is there for all to see from the NWA strike. Your only hope is if the F/A's and Pilots would support your strike by not crossing the line (not likely).

If you think they can not operate without you for the long-term, you are in for a rude awakening.

Good luck on your negotiations.

 

[Frank Szabo]

In my opinion there wouldn't be much difference in NMB Mediated Negotiations.... snip

I tend to agree, D, as there's just not a helluva lot that can be done whilst staying within the limitations of the RLA.

It's been said "Every man has his price" and, regardless of what name we choose to hang over the hall's door, I'm afraid the best we could do is push the reset button re: the "price" and start the process of "evolution" all over again. Basically, the same "honorable" SOBs that want the opportunity to lead us "out of the desert" will, due to the human nature we can't escape, eventually get us back in the same situation.

However - no matter what happens years down the road, for a time we'll have a group negotiating for us NOW rather than simply putting on a dog and pony show and arguing about what the rabble might be convinced to bite on.

One thing for sure - anything that gives the TWU any greater power than they have now (insurance admin, etc.) will get a no vote from me, regardless of the money and benefits.

 

[lineguy43]

They will not need to find that many to "replace" you. Your fellow mechanics will crawl over each other to take the good jobs that the company offers up. I understand your position (I am a former NWA striking mechanic that was replaced by my own fellow union member).

They will raid AAR, TIMCO, etc., to get the needed people to work the aircraft. They will only be needed long enough to get the experienced mechanics (from within your ranks) necessary for long-term operation to cross their own picket line. The road map for this success is there for all to see from the NWA strike. Your only hope is if the F/A's and Pilots would support your strike by not crossing the line (not likely).

If you think they can not operate without you for the long-term, you are in for a rude awakening.

Good luck on your negotiations.

Agree with you somewhat Tech...I too was a fellow honorable..Things are different for the AA guys though. First the FAA of today won't let AA get away with what NWA did in 2005. Although there would be probably more crossovers then we had, AA has not (to my knowledge) been training mechanic replacements for the last several years like NW did with us...And here is why AA knows the twu will NEVER take them to a strike. The twu is the consummate company lapdog union and AA knows it. AMFA on the other hand was so radical NW did not know what to do other than pull out all the stops to break them. So yes there is a lesson here that mechanics can be replaced if your company is hell bent on doing it but in this case I don't think the AA guys have to worry.

 

[Hopeful]

They will not need to find that many to "replace" you. Your fellow mechanics will crawl over each other to take the good jobs that the company offers up. I understand your position (I am a former NWA striking mechanic that was replaced by my own fellow union member).

They will raid AAR, TIMCO, etc., to get the needed people to work the aircraft. They will only be needed long enough to get the experienced mechanics (from within your ranks) necessary for long-term operation to cross their own picket line. The road map for this success is there for all to see from the NWA strike. Your only hope is if the F/A's and Pilots would support your strike by not crossing the line (not likely).

If you think they can not operate without you for the long-term, you are in for a rude awakening.

Good luck on your negotiations.

Excellent insight, tech...
At the end of the day, NWA no longer exists, and now have NO union. Only time will tell if they are better off without any union. Had unions been the end-all, then the majority of DAL mechanics would have voted a union in a long time ago.

 

[Interested]

Maybe, just maybe there would be no need for a union if the management team play by the rules, spoke the truth and HONORED what they said. Didn't Delta's employees get back all or most of what was taken away from them? (I though I read that somewhere).

 

[Frank Szabo]

Maybe, just maybe there would be no need for a union if the management team play by the rules, spoke the truth and HONORED what they said. Didn't Delta's employees get back all or most of what was taken away from them? (I though I read that somewhere).

I've said that for quite a while.

The trouble comes when this so-called "management" team would rather lie to their people than be honest. It's not like they don't hold any power - I believe they enjoy lying to their people as an ego trip and they might even hold contests amongst themselves to see who can get the most outrageous lie circulating, for all I know.

Sometimes, I wonder if Centrepork has a clue re: the rubes they keep employed at the local (base) levels - the best thing in the world to have happened at American for the base "management team" was the elimination of the President's meeting with the people a la Crandall style. That ensured no further communication from/with the people on the floor and no direct line between the floor and upper management is what has us where we are today, aside from the fact there's not a real businessman amongst the Centrepork infestation - only educated idiots.

 

[Interested]

I've said that for quite a while.

The trouble comes when this so-called "management" team would rather lie to their people than be honest. It's not like they don't hold any power - I believe they enjoy lying to their people as a power trip or they might even hold contests amongst themselves to see who can get the most outrageous lie circulating, for all I know.

Sometimes, I wonder if Centrepork has a clue re: the rubes they have employed at the local (base) levels - the best thing in the world to have happened at American for the base "management team" was the elimination of the President's meeting with the people a la Crandall style. That ensured no further communication from/with the people on the floor.

I miss those Crandall meetings.

 

[Mr Red]

SOUTHWEST AIRLINES the most UNIONIZED seems to do quite well thank-you.