BALLS of STEEL check in

[eolesen]

Just curious how you can camp out here and still get paid for your day job.

No differently than the way you guys finish your BOW or work card in the first four hours on the clock, and then sleep or play cards until quitting time comes around. I get paid by the month, not the hour.

But please, do keep this all about me...

 

[Bob Owens]

I get paid by the month, not the hour.

Maybe you should bargain to get paid by each post, you know, "piece work".

 

[odie01]

No differently than the way you guys finish your BOW or work card in the first four hours on the clock, and then sleep or play cards until quitting time comes around. I get paid by the month, not the hour.

But please, do keep this all about me...

Your right Eric,
This is not about you, and we reciprocate your facts on the twu. Even if you were the moderator on this board, the freedom of speech lately, has made it easier to participate.

 

[High Speed Steel]

I can certainly appreciate that you are sick and tired of TWU's bs, especially after those salary figures were released.

I've asked this question before and never gotten a response: what do you all think AMP will be able to do for you that TWU won't? Do you think you'll get a better deal from AA with AMP representation? I'm not pre-judging the answer (as I don't care either way) but am curious.

I can answer this. AMP like the TWU would be bound by the rules of the Railway Labor Act and mediated negotiations. I've asked your question before and the only answer I could get from the AMPers was, "We would vote out the leaders and replace them with a bunch of emotional No voters and an expensive professional negotiator." Their quest of the AMP is a recipe for disaster and the membership would suffer because by and large none have a clue to the intent of our agreement....

 

[odie01]

I've asked your question before and the only answer I could get from the AMPers was, "We would vote out the leaders and replace them with a bunch of emotional No voters and an expensive professional negotiator." Their quest of the AMP is a recipe for disaster and the membership would suffer because by and large none have a clue to the intent of our agreement....

Oh yea, who gave you that answer? As far as expensive professional negotiators, I believe that would be money well spent, with millions of dollars of dues money in the bank doing nothing, I think it's time we put it to work.

 

[High Speed Steel]

Oh yea, who gave you that answer? As far as expensive professional negotiators, I believe that would be money well spent, with millions of dollars of dues money in the bank doing nothing, I think it's time we put it to work.

Odie, My point is you could spend all the money you want on a professional negotiator but he and AMP would still be bound by the rules of the Railway Labor Act. Oh, and if the AMP and your expensive professional negotiator were in charge today they would have a daddy too, since we're in mediated talks with the company...LOL "Who's your daddy now?"

 

[odie01]

From what I understand, we have hired an attorney for this round of negotiations, is this true? If so, is this money well spent, or do you think our negotiating team will be sharp enough to catch every loophole the company throws at us? I don't care how expensive professional help is, we have the money and I think we should use it. And why is it that the twu acquired an attorney? AMP, that's why! It's a shame that the twu doesn't start working for us unless theirs a threat of another union taking over.

 

[High Speed Steel]

From what I understand, we have hired an attorney for this round of negotiations, is this true? If so, is this money well spent, or do you think our negotiating team will be sharp enough to catch every loophole the company throws at us? I don't care how expensive professional help is, we have the money and I think we should use it. And why is it that the twu acquired an attorney? AMP, that's why! It's a shame that the twu doesn't start working for us unless theirs a threat of another union taking over.

Very good point Odie. I'm aware of the hiring of an attorney by the TWU International for the negotiating committee. I don't know his purpose and doubt his full knowledge of the intent of our agreement and I give more credit to full knowledge of the intent to our agreement to our TWU Negotiators who have lived and worked for the company while represented by our contract. I see more value to the committee in TWU economist John Donnelly, who also has been made available....

 

[odie01]

Very good point Odie. I'm aware of the hiring of an attorney by the TWU International for the negotiating committee. I don't know his purpose and doubt his full knowledge of the intent of our agreement and I give more credit to full knowledge of the intent to our agreement to our TWU Negotiators who have lived and worked for the company while represented by our contract. I see more value to the committee in TWU economist John Donnelly, who also has been made available....

You ever wonder why the TWU has a former ECLAT vice president who left his
job at AA just days after the 2003 concession package passed. By the way,
Mr. Donnelly was the financial expert behind the 2003 concession strategy
for the TWU...so you see were this is going! And remember good old "ECLAT",
they did work for both AA and the TWU for the 2003 concession package. Why
is Mr. Donnelly explaining the cost of the M&R proposal to the negotiating
committee ..???...maybe so they can ponder why it is to expensive for AA to
accept the proposal?

PS...Randy Babbitt, he is now over the Director of the FAA..he founded ECLAT
and has since been proved as a fraud who received his degree through a
diploma mill...kinda sounds like the same thing our TWU International
President used for his educational credentials until he was called on it


The history of our economist Mr. Donnelly....

1) Fleet Service Clerk involved in the 2001 negotiations.

2) (in 2003 Mr. Donnelly is doing "research analysis" for the TWU)

http://airlineforums...ready-for-this/

3) After the 2003 concession package he did the financial "research
analysis" on, he

leaves AA and the TWU for a job at ECLAT (who were the TWU's economic
and

Financial Advisors). At ECLAT he quickly becomes a Vice President.

4) In 2005, while at ECLAT, Mr. Donnelly was featured in an article titled
"Increasing

productivity a necessity for airlines". Extracted from the article....
"It's not just the

wage that matters," Donnelly said. To boost the efficiency of workers
and planes,

carriers need to increase the number of hours their aircraft spend
aloft; expand workers'

responsibilities to ease the flow of passengers, baggage and planes;
and outsource

more maintenance work to third parties that can do it for less money.

(http://www.deseretne...uctivity-a-nece
ssity-for-airlines.html)

5) On Sept 17, 2007 ECLAT folds into Oliver Wyman with Mr. Donnelly in tow
at the new

firm. Look who has popped back p on the TWU International radar screen.
From the

TWU negotiations update website.....John Donnelly, a financial
consultant with

Oliver Wyman located in Reston, Virginia, assisted all the Committees
providing

valuable "costing out" information that will support our bargaining
positions.


6) Checking the 2009 TWU LM-2 our expert economist was listed as "Director
of

Strategic Resources and paid $26,907. By the way he was featured in the
TWU express

in the JUL/AUG issue..so that is at least 6 months pay. Since we do not
know exactly

when he returned to the TWU International payroll, we will assume he
returned in

June and only worked half the year.

7) However in the 2010 TWU LM-2 Mr. Donnelly collected a cool $161,460,
still working as

the "Director if Strategic Resources" for the TWU.

The only strategy Mr. Donnelly has is to increase the TWU Internationals
dues revenue

while helping AA reduce its costs. Great! Another Wolf in Sheeps clothing!

What's it going to take.

You get what you fight for! Lets do this! Go AMP!!!!!!!!!!!


Here is the link for the full article with our economist Mr. Donnelly

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/600103191/Increasing-productivity-a-necessity-for-airlines.html

 

[High Speed Steel]

You ever wonder why the TWU has a former ECLAT vice president who left his
job at AA just days after the 2003 concession package passed. By the way,
Mr. Donnelly was the financial expert behind the 2003 concession strategy
for the TWU...so you see were this is going! And remember good old "ECLAT",
they did work for both AA and the TWU for the 2003 concession package. Why
is Mr. Donnelly explaining the cost of the M&R proposal to the negotiating
committee ..???...maybe so they can ponder why it is to expensive for AA to
accept the proposal?

PS...Randy Babbitt, he is now over the Director of the FAA..he founded ECLAT
and has since been proved as a fraud who received his degree through a
diploma mill...kinda sounds like the same thing our TWU International
President used for his educational credentials until he was called on it


The history of our economist Mr. Donnelly....

1) Fleet Service Clerk involved in the 2001 negotiations.

2) (in 2003 Mr. Donnelly is doing "research analysis" for the TWU)

http://airlineforums...ready-for-this/

3) After the 2003 concession package he did the financial "research
analysis" on, he

leaves AA and the TWU for a job at ECLAT (who were the TWU's economic
and

Financial Advisors). At ECLAT he quickly becomes a Vice President.

4) In 2005, while at ECLAT, Mr. Donnelly was featured in an article titled
"Increasing

productivity a necessity for airlines". Extracted from the article....
"It's not just the

wage that matters," Donnelly said. To boost the efficiency of workers
and planes,

carriers need to increase the number of hours their aircraft spend
aloft; expand workers'

responsibilities to ease the flow of passengers, baggage and planes;
and outsource

more maintenance work to third parties that can do it for less money.

(http://www.deseretne...uctivity-a-nece
ssity-for-airlines.html)

5) On Sept 17, 2007 ECLAT folds into Oliver Wyman with Mr. Donnelly in tow
at the new

firm. Look who has popped back p on the TWU International radar screen.
From the

TWU negotiations update website.....John Donnelly, a financial
consultant with

Oliver Wyman located in Reston, Virginia, assisted all the Committees
providing

valuable "costing out" information that will support our bargaining
positions.


6) Checking the 2009 TWU LM-2 our expert economist was listed as "Director
of

Strategic Resources and paid $26,907. By the way he was featured in the
TWU express

in the JUL/AUG issue..so that is at least 6 months pay. Since we do not
know exactly

when he returned to the TWU International payroll, we will assume he
returned in

June and only worked half the year.

7) However in the 2010 TWU LM-2 Mr. Donnelly collected a cool $161,460,
still working as

the "Director if Strategic Resources" for the TWU.

The only strategy Mr. Donnelly has is to increase the TWU Internationals
dues revenue

while helping AA reduce its costs. Great! Another Wolf in Sheeps clothing!

What's it going to take.

You get what you fight for! Lets do this! Go AMP!!!!!!!!!!!


Here is the link for the full article with our economist Mr. Donnelly

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/600103191/Increasing-productivity-a-necessity-for-airlines.html

Odie, Out of the three links you provided only the last was a good link referring to a 2005 article. With these type of articles it is hard to distinguish between the comments of the accused and the writing of the journalist providing the article for his readers. I'm sure if there is anything bad to come about from the use of Mr. Donnelly we will hear it from Bob Owens...

 

[odie01]

Odie, Out of the three links you provided only the last was a good link referring to a 2005 article. With these type of articles it is hard to distinguish between the comments of the accused and the writing of the journalist providing the article for his readers. I'm sure if there is anything bad to come about from the use of Mr. Donnelly we will hear it from Bob Owens...

Do you realize your the only dumazz defending the twu? How much are you getting compensated? I have a hunch my dues are involved.

 

[High Speed Steel]

Do you realize your the only dumazz defending the twu? How much are you getting compensated? I have a hunch my dues are involved.

1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

I can answer this. AMP like the TWU would be bound by the rules of the Railway Labor Act and mediated negotiations. I've asked your question before and the only answer I could get from the AMPers was, "We would vote out the leaders and replace them with a bunch of emotional No voters and an expensive professional negotiator." Their quest of the AMP is a recipe for disaster and the membership would suffer because by and large none have a clue to the intent of our agreement....

Really?

I've asked the question why are twu international officers NOT elected by the full membership for which they represent.

I've asked the question why are twu international officers not tied to the contracts for which their membership live under. You know, when the membership takes a cut in pay and benefits the international officers receive the same cut.

The recipe of twu representation is a recipe for unaccountability. Thank you for acknowledging the fact that with AMP leaders can be voted out of office. How about with the twu?

GO AMP!

 

[High Speed Steel]

Really?

I've asked the question why are twu international officers NOT elected by the full membership for which they represent.

I've asked the question why are twu international officers not tied to the contracts for which their membership live under. You know, when the membership takes a cut in pay and benefits the international officers receive the same cut.

The recipe of twu representation is a recipe for unaccountability. Thank you for acknowledging the fact that with AMP leaders can be voted out of office. How about with the twu?

GO AMP!

This is so very dumb coming from a former local officer, you apparently were not very schooled on the basic content of the job at hand....What did you do when you were an officer play hide and go seek from the membership?

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

This is so very dumb coming from a former local officer, you apparently were not very schooled on the basic content of the job at hand....What did you do when you were an officer play hide and go seek from the membership?

In the words of a famous ex-Gunny "What are you talking about you Jack Wagon?!!"

You continue to preach twu from behind your warm, fuzzy alias. You know exactly what I am talking about. At the LOCAL level officers are elected and can be removed it is the INTERNATIONAL level that this is impossible.

Now come and tell everyone why twu int. officers are appointed and NOT elected.