August/September 2013 Fleet Discussion

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ograc said:
If what was posted is true regarding Fleet negotiations it should come as no suprise. The company has chosen to test the resolve, solidarity and patience of the NC and the membership they represent. The question to all members on this forum is how do we respond to the company's posture? I ask that you submit the question to your co workers and fellow members in your respective stations. IMO... as stated earlier, until the company proposes a fair and equitable contract proposal to the US Fleet there will be labor unrest with this merger going forward. Time to lock and load Brothers and Sisters. The question to the District Leadership and the NC is do they have the same resolve as the membership? If not... we could see the same results we witnessed with the UA TA.
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yeah, no reason to move any merger forward. What merger? Not without getting a contract with dignity and respect. Gotta support the NC. If there isn't a deal anytime soon then that support also means informing the membership to stand firm and that it is the company who is extending talks. One thing to constantly point out is how the company came to an agreement handing the AMR workers pay raises and stock but doesn't think it's own employees are worth even that. Not surprised but our members have to be informed that this may be extended unless they want to be treated less than AMR. regards,
 
I have some " CONTRACT NOW " buttons i wear that were given to me by some mechanics.... Maybe its time to wear some of our own..........
 
JFK Fleet Service said:
Point of order, US Airways management had Zip, Zero, Nada, Nothing to do with the equity stake the TWU got from AMR.
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No, but they recognized it and gave an additional MOU. Thus, it is less than fair that management's proposal to the IAM is less than the one in the bankrupt contract at AMR. Now is the time to move the bar upwards for both US AIRWAYS and AMR FSC. The more that is received on this end of joint talks, the more leverage joint talks would have to get more. OTOH, getting a mini contract on this end, could even bring joint talks to hostage, especially if scope wasn't enhanced on this side. regards,
 
Filing for a release in the section 6 fleet talks couldn't hurt anything. Although a strike isn't happening, it makes it legally clear to the company that our NC is serious. Buckle up and let's dig in for the long term. With the pace of how negotiations normally go in this industry, this will be the last contract for a good chunk of our members. So, gotta make sure it is a contract that folks can retire on. Any transition talks afterwards may take years thereafter. regards,
 
its high flying time our nc team files with the nmb asking for a release... it is very clear that this monkey arse mgmt has no intentions of trying to settle any labor issues with fleet or maintaince it sure be cool if the nmb did formally release both groups but i do know that is not possible.. theres got to be ways to ratchet up the pressure on mgmt even using the news media etc
 
There are absolutely ways to turn up the heat using today's current media resources ....but the problem With this is that in the long run we end up hurting ourselves .....a carefull balance has to be found before walking down that road .
 
Tim Nelson said:
No, but they recognized it and gave an additional MOU. Thus, it is less than fair that management's proposal to the IAM is less than the one in the bankrupt contract at AMR. Now is the time to move the bar upwards for both US AIRWAYS and AMR FSC. The more that is received on this end of joint talks, the more leverage joint talks would have to get more. OTOH, getting a mini contract on this end, could even bring joint talks to hostage, especially if scope wasn't enhanced on this side. regards,
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US Airways didn't negotiate the contract at bankrupt AMR, they don't get to yank items out of it at a whim.The MOU states current 1113 contract remains in effect with the additional provisions provided by the MOU.
 
Tim Nelson said:
yeah, no reason to move any merger forward. What merger? Not without getting a contract with dignity and respect. Gotta support the NC. If there isn't a deal anytime soon then that support also means informing the membership to stand firm and that it is the company who is extending talks. One thing to constantly point out is how the company came to an agreement handing the AMR workers pay raises and stock but doesn't think it's own employees are worth even that. Not surprised but our members have to be informed that this may be extended unless they want to be treated less than AMR. regards,
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Glad to see, based on the District Update, the NC plans to do station visits. Good starting point for communicating to and rallying the membership. We need to build solidarity. It most likely will be a long haul, based on the company's posture, but we need to dig in and pull together. The company has chosen their path.
 
Tim Nelson said:
No, but they recognized it and gave an additional MOU. Thus, it is less than fair that management's proposal to the IAM is less than the one in the bankrupt contract at AMR. Now is the time to move the bar upwards for both US AIRWAYS and AMR FSC. The more that is received on this end of joint talks, the more leverage joint talks would have to get more. OTOH, getting a mini contract on this end, could even bring joint talks to hostage, especially if scope wasn't enhanced on this side. regards,
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Imperative that scope must be enhanced with our contract. We need to protect the work and jobs we currently have then enter transition talks. A fair contract first... then transition talks. Until then there will be labor unrest.
 
Tim Nelson said:
No, but they recognized it and gave an additional MOU. Thus, it is less than fair that management's proposal to the IAM is less than the one in the bankrupt contract at AMR. Now is the time to move the bar upwards for both US AIRWAYS and AMR FSC. The more that is received on this end of joint talks, the more leverage joint talks would have to get more. OTOH, getting a mini contract on this end, could even bring joint talks to hostage, especially if scope wasn't enhanced on this side. regards,
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Tim,
I'm confident we agree that scope language must be enhanced in our current US Fleet Service contract negotiations. My concern is, based on the District Update, there is no mention of this critical issue being discussed or negotiated. It speaks of the level of discussions regarding wages, benefits, pension and work rules did not meet the needs of our members. No mention of enhancements in scope language being discussed or negotiated. This concerns me. Maybe CB or P. Rez can shed some light on wheather the NC is focusing on this issue in negotiations.
 
ograc said:
Tim,
I'm confident we agree that scope language must be enhanced in our current US Fleet Service contract negotiations. My concern is, based on the District Update, there is no mention of this critical issue being discussed or negotiated. It speaks of the level of discussions regarding wages, benefits, pension and work rules did not meet the needs of our members. No mention of enhancements in scope language being discussed or negotiated. This concerns me. Maybe CB or P. Rez can shed some light on wheather the NC is focusing on this issue in negotiations.
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Ograc
Be assured. All the major issues are still being discussed. Including scope!
 
ograc said:
Glad to see, based on the District Update, the NC plans to do station visits. Good starting point for communicating to and rallying the membership. We need to build solidarity. It most likely will be a long haul, based on the company's posture, but we need to dig in and pull together. The company has chosen their path.
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Well lets do this right if we are going to do it. No BS. I want to see everyone outside with union pins of some sort displayed. We are allowed to wear them so we should. Problem is most don't know why they should! Goes hand in hand with being uninformed or not caring. We shall see who needs information and why , if IAM PINS become available
 
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