August/September 2013 Fleet Discussion

[robbedagain]

as expected no 2% raise... but heres my question... and i already am aware that a grievance is going to be filed if it has not already been filed bec of it..
but here is what i do not understand. pg 115 of the 08 agreement... it states clearly Two percent (2%) pay increase assumed beyond the amendable date..

well isnt this beyond the contract's amendable date?

and on pg 117 paragraph clearly states in the event the parties have not reached a tentative agreement during the status quo period following the amendable date, all base rates will be increased by two (2%) percent for all employees effective on the first (1st) day of the first (1st) pay period following July 1, 2012

the way it was written in 2008 says that we all would get the 2% increase but no increase and this was the 1st pay following the first pay period the question is why would this language be in the contract, and no raise... something is not right in this pic.. and the way its written then oviously the company should be providing the employees with this 2% raise i know that this has been discussed before on here but i just think the way its written we all should get the 2 % raise

 

[Tim Nelson]

I don't know that Tim is out of line for suggesting that IBT might try to get in. You've got to remember that the IBT has time and again shown that they'll try to get whatever they can. Just because they've lost and/or gotten the boot before doesn't mean they won't try again!

I didn't suggest anything. PSA asked me a question and all I did was clarify to see who he was talking about. IMO, the association offers fleet service interesting possibilities. Now, maybe 'the association' talk is cheap and these unions screw us, but at this time, I think 'the association' is the best available path to consider. If PSA wants to start a IBT campaign then, IMO, I think it would be misguided at this time.

 

[robbedagain]

I agree Tim i think the assoc is the best path forward

 

[psa8979]

A l H.or what ever your aiias is this week . Do you have a answer for our Brother robbedagain ?

 

[psa8979]

Tim. I'm ALL IN with IAM/TWU Assoc. But, the card drive probably has all ready started by our AFL-CIO CWA Brothers and Sisters . 8/12 is pivotal Brother. Remember ! WE always need to look at THE BIG PICTURE .

 

[blue collar]

as expected no 2% raise... but heres my question... and i already am aware that a grievance is going to be filed if it has not already been filed bec of it..
but here is what i do not understand. pg 115 of the 08 agreement... it states clearly Two percent (2%) pay increase assumed beyond the amendable date..

well isnt this beyond the contract's amendable date?

and on pg 117 paragraph clearly states in the event the parties have not reached a tentative agreement during the status quo period following the amendable date, all base rates will be increased by two (2%) percent for all employees effective on the first (1st) day of the first (1st) pay period following July 1, 2012

the way it was written in 2008 says that we all would get the 2% increase but no increase and this was the 1st pay following the first pay period the question is why would this language be in the contract, and no raise... something is not right in this pic.. and the way its written then oviously the company should be providing the employees with this 2% raise i know that this has been discussed before on here but i just think the way its written we all should get the 2 % raise

You've beaten this dead horse. You got a 2% raise in July 2012. That was the only one that was negotiated for you. Mx got one in 2012 and one in 2013. That is all that was negotiated for them. It's not 2% every July until an agreement is reached.

 

[mike33]

Robbed.....what dont you understand?.....it doesnt say 2013/2014/2015............just july 2012

and on pg 117 paragraph clearly states in the event the parties have not reached a tentative agreement during the status quo period following the amendable date, all base rates will be increased by two (2%) percent for all employees effective on the first (1st) day of the first (1st) pay period following July 1, 2012.

It doesn't say every july 1st !!!!!

 

[freedom]

I could swear i saw that horse body twitch , keep at it Robbed !

 

[robbedagain]

i know you are anger that this is coming back up but i do know that the way this contract was written it is misleading
and i do know for a fact that there will be grievance filed regarding that but im sure that the grievance will take about 5 yrs or more at the rate these grievances are being handled.. the fact is it states beyond the amendable date
and it states effective the first pay period yes i know you keep saying im beating a dead horse but apparently there are people in my station and im sure through out the system that feel the same way some of us do but come on why in the living daylights would something like this be put in there knowing full well that that it would lead to trouble.. the raises we got went pretty much to our health care plans as they sky rocketed to mars

 

[psa8979]

Al robbedagain would like an answer ? Are you there ?

 

[robbedagain]

as in Al i hate labor hemmoraging hemmenway... if soo well lets just say i cant make my comments to him on here bec it would not be pretty

 

[psa8979]

robbedagain . Al is probably out spending the money he has robbed from US. He probably won't get back to you. Question are you west or east of the Rockies ?

 

[robbedagain]

east bro hired in the late 90s been at 3 cities... bro i dont expect uncle hemmoraging hemmingway to answer he wrote a response letter to the nmb and contradicted himself like 4 times

 

[psa8979]

robbedagain not much is going to happen with F/S $ until merger is approved ,scs,and voting for representation. Al will keep spending our $ he has and will continue to take from US. He is all in and called .

 

[freedom]

all right , let's take another look at what robbed is saying ......

when I too read the contract it did appear to me that the cost of living increases would continue on until we got a new contract ... I learned otherwise from our union ....

but I guess what i'm asking is can we litigate this in court ? or is it so CLEAR that this couldn't be disputed ...