August/September 2013 Fleet Discussion

[Solidarity]

I've recently heard a very sad rumor ....

it seems that our management at least here in the PHX station (probably everywhere I bet )is going to be forced to re-apply for their jobs due to the merger ...

talk about saying THANK YOU for helping to make US Airways into a company successful enough to rescue AA from BK ....

Freedom.....thanks for the info. Too bad they didn't have a union to protect their jobs.

 

[Solidarity]

I've recently heard a very sad rumor ....

it seems that our management at least here in the PHX station (probably everywhere I bet )is going to be forced to re-apply for their jobs due to the merger ...

talk about saying THANK YOU for helping to make US Airways into a company successful enough to rescue AA from BK ....

The question that needs to be asked with regards to PHX management having to possibly re-apply for their job is this..."Isn't USAirways the overwhelming dominant carrier in comparison to AA in PHX?" Are they (mgmt. in PHX) re-applying for less available positions in PHX in the near future. Is this a foreshadowing similar to (PIT/LAS)? Something to ponder

 

[LD3]

You think mangmnt would be sad if you had to reapply?

 

[wings396]

700 the T/A from February 13, 2013 allowed outsourcing all but seven stations. Stations with a single mainline departure year round are mainline stations, all others can be Express and most are ZW.

The IAM gave UA unprecedented concessions, they sold out the small stations for a few pieces of coin for DEN/EWR/IAD/IAH/LAX/ORD/SFO

Josh

You do realize that the TA you are referring to didn't pass, right?

 

[cltrat]

You do realize that the TA you are referring to didn't pass, right?

true though it is pretty sad something like that was brought to a vote and top officers telling UA brothers and sisters what a great deal it was, pathetic really.

 

[Tim Nelson]

true though it is pretty sad something like that was brought to a vote and top officers telling UA brothers and sisters what a great deal it was, pathetic really.

The Delaney video clearly said the entire eboard voted unanimously to pass it. My concern is that the officers said all the right things and did all the right things until they signed a ta that made every thing they said and did previously a lie.

Although we must support the current position of what our NC has expressed to us, the first thing to look at to see if the NC is going to continue standing will be a helping hands agreement. If they attempt to slide that in, without a vote of course, I will absolutely hammer them and point all cannons on them, as any helping hand agreement will be an agreement that supports management's main directive, ie., to move the merger forward and take care of the most critical things that make things 'seamless'. If management wants helping hands then sign a TA that is fair and equitable and we can all be a part of moving this merger forward.

But, again, the first sign will be if the leadership of the union signs a helping hand agreement. From the company's perspective, they will push for that as soon as the merger is complete and will want to extract any helping hands as a sidebar to the TA. If the union signs it, it will say it created a few jobs. But it will necessarily come at the cost of leverage. No deal, no helping hand, no nothing unless there is a fair and equitable ta that is certainly NORTH of the bankrupt AMR contract.

regards,

 

[ChockJockey]

I've recently heard a very sad rumor ....

it seems that our management at least here in the PHX station (probably everywhere I bet )is going to be forced to re-apply for their jobs due to the merger ...

I've heard this as well. Probably true in some form. Yes, there are some rather good managers in PHX that are reasonable and fair and have a high level of personal integrity that I would hate to see go. Sadly, the management culture in PHX is not conducive to retaining managers of this type. On the other hand, there are those that are insensitive, conniving, and willfully negligent to the point that their departure would be cause for celebration.

Can't say they didn't know the risks going in, managers generally enjoy zero job protections even under the best of circumstances.

 

[robbedagain]

SOLIDARITY... i may not be active as a member of the rep or agc but i sure do understand a lot of the contract. so theres your answer as for mgmt having to re apply i sure dont feel for them at all they sure WOULD NEVER give a dam if we the employees had or have to re apply ...

also solidarity for a lot of the folks who ARE NOT topped out yes the 2% may not be much but it sure goes a way towards putting fuel in the cars these days so technically its not beating a horse any more than say the 700/TN on going battle yet i dont see you steppin up to the plate on that but geeze you come hard down on me

 

[freedom]

Can't say they didn't know the risks going in, managers generally enjoy zero job protections even under the best of circumstances.

I agree that their job security is always tenuous at best with that seems like a random sweep of managers every few years ...

still thou , it just seems insulting to make the workers of the company that is NOT in BK re-apply for their jobs ...

 

[ChockJockey]

still thou , it just seems insulting to make the workers of the company that is NOT in BK re-apply for their jobs ...

Insulting workers is what airlines do best.

 

[Tim Nelson]

"The IAM’s position is the US Airways must complete its bargaining responsibilities with the IAM before joint negotiations can begin."

that is the single most critical piece, imo, of the association agreement, i.e., recognizing the sanctity of the current section 6 talks. If the association agreement didn't exist, then the current talks would have blown up.

regards,

 

[robbedagain]

I agree there tim.. after all it should be us n iam negogiating as one not as the largest airline in the world

 

[737823]

You do realize that the TA you are referring to didn't pass, right?

Yep and it's been nearly three months since the membership resoundingly rejected it and no meaningful progress has been made towards a new agreement. Tim really did a spectacular job getting the word out on here and on YouTube about how that agreement was a POS while the IAM was calling it an awesome agreement.

Josh

 

[Jester]

I've heard this as well. Probably true in some form. Yes, there are some rather good managers in PHX that are reasonable and fair and have a high level of personal integrity that I would hate to see go. Sadly, the management culture in PHX is not conducive to retaining managers of this type. On the other hand, there are those that are insensitive, conniving, and willfully negligent to the point that their departure would be cause for celebration.

Can't say they didn't know the risks going in, managers generally enjoy zero job protections even under the best of circumstances.

I am going to respectfully disagree with you on this matter, CJ. Personally, I have never seen such general managerial incompetency as within PHX. They cannot get bids right (remember last one... Did you also like the post-bid additional flex schedule to the first week of July?) They VTO people from shifts which leaves the ramp short-handed a few hours later. They issue transition assignments which are devoid of reality from the flight actual flight schedules. And forget any ability to lead or manage the ramp agents during any unexpected deviations to operations! The AA merger might provide a convenient excuse to clean PHX house.

 

[wings396]

I've recently heard a very sad rumor ....

it seems that our management at least here in the PHX station (probably everywhere I bet )is going to be forced to re-apply for their jobs due to the merger ...

talk about saying THANK YOU for helping to make US Airways into a company successful enough to rescue AA from BK ....

This is old news, they were told that months ago.