April/May 2013 Pilot Discussion

[nevergiveup]

The companies response is interesting. Either way, they want the seniority integration ball stripped out of USAPAs hands. They seem to prefer a truly independent 3 way. Barring that an injunction forcing the nic is also fine with them. Agreed.

Forcing the nic would be a disaster for the airline. The nic was so badly done that it has prevented the pilot group from getting a contract. Looks like we might get to ride the coattails of American's contract for a while.

 

[nevergiveup]

Some have hinted that USAPA, US Airways, and the West Class could reach a "deal" and allow third party status. Of course they can.

It’s called a contract. Present me with a new one to vote on prior to the POR and I will give it due consideration. Otherwise no third party status allowed. If it is imposed by Judge Silver, the East Class will appeal all the way to SCOTUS. That should tie up Parker's little party with the press and Wall Street for a while, and delay the consolidation of the airlines. In fact, it will look very ugly to Judge Lane and the Creditors. They don't want any unknowns.

Greeter

How about an MOU II!

 

[Metroyet]

Some have hinted that USAPA, US Airways, and the West Class could reach a "deal" and allow third party status. Of course they can.

It’s called a contract. Present me with a new one to vote on prior to the POR and I will give it due consideration. Otherwise no third party status allowed. If it is imposed by Judge Silver, the East Class will appeal all the way to SCOTUS. That should tie up Parker's little party with the press and Wall Street for a while, and delay the consolidation of the airlines. In fact, it will look very ugly to Judge Lane and the Creditors. They don't want any unknowns.

Greeter

You're not in charge of anything. There are no more contracts and there are no more negotiations. The only reason a person could possible be opposed to a neutral 3 way is if they knew they were losing something. Hate to break it to you, but one way or another, your staggeringly expensive, hostile, illegal union is losing all control of this situation. You will not dictate fairness to anyone. Your frenzied opposition to even the suggestion that the West regains footing on a level playing field says all anybody would ever need to know about your true intentions.

Brilliant use of the red strike bar by your "union" btw. I'm sure the Judge won't be able to infer anything by you guys striking 95% of what the company says are "undisputed,verifiable facts". Yep. You guys are real Masters of Disguise! HAAAAA!!!

 

[Walmartgreeter]

One fact is undisputable and will win on appeal. USAPA is the bargaining agent for all US Airways pilots. Period.

A disgruntled party cannot sue and somehow bypass the NMB process and become a "bargaining agent" for a separate group within the airline.

If the West Class gets to do it, then all us pilots living in the closed PIT base also want to be a group. And how about the TWA guys, the Empire folks, the ex-LAS base pilots, the ex-EAL shuttle guys, the UAL 570 at US Airways, etc., etc.

Greeter

 

[nevergiveup]

You're not in charge of anything. There are no more contracts and there are no more negotiations. The only reason a person could possible be opposed to a neutral 3 way is if they knew they were losing something. Hate to break it to you, but one way or another, your staggeringly expensive, hostile, illegal union is losing all control of this situation. You will not dictate fairness to anyone. Your frenzied opposition to even the suggestion that the West regains footing on a level playing field says all anybody would ever need to know about your true intentions.

Brilliant use of the red strike bar by your "union" btw. I'm sure the Judge won't be able to infer anything by you guys striking 95% of what the company says are "undisputed,verifiable facts". Yep. You guys are real Masters of Disguise! HAAAAA!!!

You should switch to de-caff!

 

[cleardirect]

Some have hinted that USAPA, US Airways, and the West Class could reach a "deal" and allow third party status. Of course they can.

It’s called a contract. Present me with a new one to vote on prior to the POR and I will give it due consideration. Otherwise no third party status allowed. If it is imposed by Judge Silver, the East Class will appeal all the way to SCOTUS. That should tie up Parker's little party with the press and Wall Street for a while, and delay the consolidation of the airlines. In fact, it will look very ugly to Judge Lane and the Creditors. They don't want any unknowns.

Greeter

There you have it.

An injunction solves all the problems. No uncertainty, no delay, no unknowns.

You can appeal and pay for it out of your pocket not dues all you want. But in the mean time the injunction is in place and the merger moves forward.

 

[Metroyet]

One fact is undisputable and will win on appeal. USAPA is the bargaining agent for all US Airways pilots. Period.

A disgruntled party cannot sue and somehow bypass the NMB process and become a "bargaining agent" for a separate group within the airline.

If the West Class gets to do it, then all us pilots living in the closed PIT base also want to be a group. And how about the TWA guys, the Empire folks, the ex-LAS base pilots, the ex-EAL shuttle guys, the UAL 570 at US Airways, etc., etc.

Greeter

You wouldn't have these problems if you're group wasn't just a facade for organized crime. The laws of the land are bigger than your fake union.

 

[Claxon]

There you have it.

An injunction solves all the problems. No uncertainty, no delay, no unknowns.

You can appeal and pay for it out of your pocket not dues all you want. But in the mean time the injunction is in place and the merger moves forward.

The company asked The Honorable Judge Silver to make a declaratory judgement in the seniority dispute.

Her order is as follows.

IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF ARIZONA
US Airways, Inc.,
Plaintiff,
vs.
Don Addington, et al.,
Defendants.
))))))))))
No. CV-10-01570-PHX-ROS
AMENDED JUDGMENT
(to add description of class)
Pursuant to the Court’s resolution of the motions for summary judgment,
IT IS ORDERED Counts I and III of the complaint are dismissed and judgment is
entered in favor of US Airline Pilots Association on Count II of the complaint. US Airline
Pilots Association’s seniority proposal does not breach its duty of fair representation
provided it is supported by a legitimate union purpose. This judgment is binding on the
following class: “All pilots employed by US Airways in September 2008 who were on the
America West seniority list on September 20, 2005.”
DATED this 4th day of December, 2012.

Judge Silver

 

[Claxon]

He conveniently forgot that the TA requires nic. Implementation upon MOU ratification. An event siegle emphatically insisted in court had, in fact, happened. This dispute has not ended due to the companies specific failure to comply with the TA. They are as much to blame as USAPA. I'm sure AOL is more than happy to clarify that to Silver. Although, a " nic-517" would be hysterically funny to see.

Nice try. You are an america west airlines pilot that will be in the PHX regional base, for the new Us Airways-American Airlines, for years to come.

 

[Metroyet]

Nice try. You are an america west airlines pilot that will be in the PHX regional base, for the new Us Airways-American Airlines, for years to come.

If the company gets their wish, go ahead and look at the Nic and move Dave Odell up 517 places. That's what another arbitration will get you. You can also forget any conditions and restrictions among us air pilots.

 

[Claxon]

If the company gets their wish, go ahead and look at the Nic and move Dave Odell up 517 places. That's what another arbitration will get you. You can also forget any conditions and restrictions among us air pilots.

Final and binding legal order of the court.

IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF ARIZONA
US Airways, Inc.,
Plaintiff,
vs.
Don Addington, et al.,
Defendants.
))))))))))
No. CV-10-01570-PHX-ROS
AMENDED JUDGMENT
(to add description of class)
Pursuant to the Court’s resolution of the motions for summary judgment,
IT IS ORDERED Counts I and III of the complaint are dismissed and judgment is
entered in favor of US Airline Pilots Association on Count II of the complaint. US Airline
Pilots Association’s seniority proposal does not breach its duty of fair representation
provided it is supported by a legitimate union purpose. This judgment is binding on the
following class: “All pilots employed by US Airways in September 2008 who were on the
America West seniority list on September 20, 2005.”
DATED this 4th day of December, 2012.

Judge Silver

 

[Phoenix]

You wouldn't have these problems if you're group wasn't just a facade for organized crime. The laws of the land are bigger than your fake union.

Fake union...

Yes, if you would kindly cite one authority (besides another message board poster) just one authority to declare USAPA a fake union, then I might rethink your desperate and hysterical belief that organized crime has caused me problems.

 

[Metroyet]

Fake union...

Yes, if you would kindly cite one authority (besides another message board poster) just one authority to declare USAPA a fake union, then I might rethink your desperate and hysterical belief that organized crime has caused me problems.

Check out your W2 for the last 5 tax years. Need any more proof of USAPA causing you problems? Btw, you can stop decorating each post like a ore-teen girl with emoticons.

 

[mrbreeze]

If the company gets their wish, go ahead and look at the Nic and move Dave Odell up 517 places. That's what another arbitration will get you. You can also forget any conditions and restrictions among us air pilots.

Big IF, eh? I'm not worried about how Silver deals with the company.

Also, I disagree with your calling USAPA organized crime....actually quite the opposite. They have kept you punks from leapfrogging in seniority and stealing attrition from the East pilots.

You're one screwed up individual. My guess is that you are former Mesa and really believe in the lies that Ornstien fed you about your entitlement.....while you wrote him checks for $50k.

breeze

 

[mrbreeze]

Check out your W2 for the last 5 tax years.

I would counter with...."check your W2 for the last 27 yrs" while I have been with the company, but it wouldn't be fair since you were still in High School during a large portion of it. And that's ignoring the low wages that AW is famous for.

breeze