April/May 2013 Pilot Discussion

[nevergiveup]

If PIT was a great place why was it closed? BOS, LGA? The company decides where to put assets. That is the fact of a merger.

After the merger if the company decides to shrink PHL and grow JFK and LAX do you want to be locked out of that opportunity? Why should the wet be locked out of opportunities for us?

You easties all need to wrap your head around the fact there was a merger in 2005. There is going to be another one very soon.

pre seems to think that USAPA decides who flies what routes. Actually, it is the west management in PHX that makes these decisions.

 

[Black Swan]

You idiots just don't get it. There was a merger in 2005. There are no longer east and west bases. Just like there are not going to be any American bases.

The company decides where to but assets we just follow along. What you idiots want to do is continue to run separate ops forever. What you idiots want to do is like when the company closed PIT. Instead of following the assets you would have the PIT pilots furloughed.

All the west wants is to be treated equally by the company and the union. After the merger with American if the company decides to shrink CLT and grow LAX you do want to be able to bid for that right?

Get over yourselves. There was a merger yo have been through therefore you know what that means. Parker for his own reason has let you easties play your little denial game. The big money is putting an end to that. No more separate ops. No more getting all the benefit of this merger.

Besides if you thought you were winning and going to get DOH you should be demanding combined ops. Put all us bad westies at the bottom of your list so you can get weekends off and upgrade.

Worried DOH is dead?.

You and ALPA agreed to separate ops until a JCBA. You need to bid that 330 left seat in CLT now that the MOU became a JCBA. Right Marty? Marty? Marty?

 

[cleardirect]

pre seems to think that USAPA decides who flies what routes. Actually, it is the west management in PHX that makes these decisions.

The same management that is going to get a new toy to play with very soon.

Parker has said for a long time the best bases in the country are DFW, ORD and ATL.

You guys keep pushing for separate ops and you are going to find out very quickly where the company decides to put assets. We will hear a different story from you easties.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

THE WEST PILOTS ARE ENTITLED......

Hard to miss the theme lately. All of a sudden no more talk of a NIC slamdown. Now its threats against DOH and a chorus of "give us" "we are entitled." etc, etc, ad nausium.

Last Tuesday was a watershed event. For once and for all, no matter what happens going forward, the NIC was finally laid to rest. And it took Judge Silver at least three times to finally get that through Harper's thick head.

Greeter

 

[snapthis]

THE WEST PILOTS ARE ENTITLED......

Hard to miss the theme lately. All of a sudden no more talk of a NIC slamdown. Now its threats against DOH and a chorus of "give us" "we are entitled." etc, etc, ad nausium.

Last Tuesday was a watershed event. For once and for all, no matter what happens going forward, the NIC was finally laid to rest. And it took Judge Silver at least three times to finally get that through Harper's thick head.

Greeter

Let's revisit 2005, shall we? The acquiring airline, America West, was hiring the bankrupt airline was well let's say...bankrupt. The bankrupt airline brings furloughed pilots who as a result of said merger are now employed.

The bankrupt airline forms a union to take the benefits on the acquisition, installs their pilot management, takes over the training department of the acquiring airline, changes travel employee travel to benefit themselves with the DOH methodology.

The pilots of the acquiring airline have endured furloughs and no hiring since 2005. The West watched as East management concentrated growth and opportunity to a heading of 090. All this, while the "union" was suing West pilots into defense mode. The defense, known as Leonidas was formed to protect West pilots from the assaults on the various fronts, particularly the Charlotte front.

Today, we find Charlotte having to defend itself from the retaliation on multiple fronts. They are in their bunkers and know the end is near and it can't come soon enough.

 

[Freighterguynow]

What you idiots want to do is continue to run separate ops forever.

Which-we-have-every-legal-right-to-do!

Not gunna vote in a contract to benefit YOU which you should've been bright enough to grasp from the get go.


Like Bill said, you have nothing to offer, nobody East is interested in your outfit and that's, in the end, all you brought to this potential merger.

Nothing.

 

[luvthe9]

Let's revisit 2005, shall we? The acquiring airline, America West, was hiring the bankrupt airline was well let's say...bankrupt. The bankrupt airline brings furloughed pilots who as a result of said merger are now employed.

The bankrupt airline forms a union to take the benefits on the acquisition, installs their pilot management, takes over the training department of the acquiring airline, changes travel employee travel to benefit themselves with the DOH methodology.

The pilots of the acquiring airline have endured furloughs and no hiring since 2005. The West watched as East management concentrated growth and opportunity to a heading of 090. All this, while the "union" was suing West pilots into defense mode. The defense, known as Leonidas was formed to protect West pilots from the assaults on the various fronts, particularly the Charlotte front.

Today, we find Charlotte having to defend itself from the retaliation on multiple fronts. They are in their bunkers and know the end is near and it can't come soon enough.

Sucks to be you....

 

[snapthis]

Sucks to be you....

Actually, it sucks to be Courtney.

 

[luvthe9]

Actually, it sucks to be Courtney.

Well, why the stupid suits when nothing is ripe? Everybody told you to wait.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

The bankrupt airline forms a union to take the benefits on the acquisition, installs their pilot management, takes over the training department of the acquiring airline, changes travel employee travel to benefit themselves with the DOH methodology.

I am blushing with pride. So glad you noticed.

Greeter

 

[snapthis]

I am blushing with pride. So glad you noticed.

Greeter

I'm glad to see you hold the moral high ground.

Emphasis on sarcasm.

 

[traderjake]

We had a member of the APA Scope committee on the jumpseat.

He said APA wants slotting by equipment and status with minimum fences (around WBs, not bases) and that they don't care about the internal order of our seniority list.

 

[Freighterguynow]

They'll care as soon as they find out furloughed West pilots expect to be Captains in American bases.

 

[traderjake]

They'll care as soon as they find out furloughed West pilots expect to be Captains in American bases.

I'll bet he knows more about their situation than you do.

 

[Freighterguynow]

Fine. What part of a relative position merger do you not grasp?

Captains are merged with other Captains.

Right or wrong please?

Every single West pilot, even the ones on furlough, can hold East Captain jobs under the Nic award.

Therefore, they get merged in amongst American Captains.