April/May 2013 Pilot Discussion

[nycbusdriver]

check my profile. I've had a handle on this board for 13+ years. Pretty amazing foresight on my part to fake an ID for this silly purpose that long ago isn't it? If I had those powers of preminition, I'd be 600+ million dollars richer today.

It's really ironic, though. 13+ years and it still shows you as a "Newbie."

Sounds like time for a DFR against the moderators.

 

[Claxon]

After Judge Silver ruled in favor of USAPA, the MOU was put up for a vote and it passed.

The west filed a new frivolous DFR. AMR, US Airways, creditors do not want this delayed or have a incorrect ruling. The BK court advised the district court. Judge Silver will dismiss the DFR with a caveat, standard procedure.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

LOS (NOT straight DOH) for East domiciles and NIC for the PHX domicile. Either that or a new arbitration with multiple arbitrators using the current paradigm as a starting point. If there is new arbitration, USAPA needs to pony up paper that cannot be ignored regarding an award. Final being FINAL....move on. USAPA also needs to pay the tab on it instead of paying endless legal bills.

Throw in your "own" towel, not mine. I want absolutely nothing to do with any arbitrator, especially one that is only looking at East and West.

I love all the guys with "new and improved" solutions to our US Airways seniority problem. This is the end game. Our paths have been chosen. Judge Silver will either impose the NIC or leave us to our own methods (as she already did once.) Either way, we will eventually be back in court.

But please, spare me your "USAPA a failure" hate mail disguised as Solomon. And by the way, I think USAPA has pretty much covered it's "tab."

And to those of you worried about USAPA having any moneys after we are "gone," take a gander at the CBL. Does anyone think they are going to get a dues refund on the dissolution of USAPA? And the only way APA gets our few millions (not that they need it!) is in a friendly merger voted on by members.

Greeter

 

[ON2ALK]

It's really ironic, though. 13+ years and it still shows you as a "Newbie."

Sounds like time for a DFR against the moderators.

Not so much Irony, I've just never been interested enough to post anything. Now it's interesting.

 

[luvthe9]

Throw in your "own" towel, not mine. I want absolutely nothing to do with any arbitrator, especially one that is only looking at East and West.

I love all the guys with "new and improved" solutions to our US Airways seniority problem. This is the end game. Our paths have been chosen. Judge Silver will either impose the NIC or leave us to our own methods (as she already did once.) Either way, we will eventually be back in court.

But please, spare me your "USAPA a failure" hate mail disguised as Solomon. And by the way, I think USAPA has pretty much covered it's "tab."

And to those of you worried about USAPA having any moneys after we are "gone," take a gander at the CBL. Does anyone think they are going to get a dues refund on the dissolution of USAPA? And the only way APA gets our few millions (not that they need it!) is in a friendly merger voted on by members.

Greeter

He is a USAPA hater and someone that the NIC does not effect, and does not mind throwing the juniors guys under the bus.

 

[luvthe9]

She did say that last time. That isn't in dispute. I doubt very much Marty forgot she said that. However, You entirly miss the context, and the over arching point of that. She also repeatedly reminded the parties that abandoning the Nic put them on dangerous ground. It doesn't have to be the nic. It has to be fair and equitable. How USAPA gets there is the question.

Spin, spin and more spin, dangerous ground is fine the NIC is finished, the next couple of days will be discussing C&R's for you.

 

[snapthis]

Exactly. You're reading the situation perfectly.

That would be a first. He rides the short bus to this forum.

 

[Phoenix]

All true. However you're still missing the point. The 21st will be rather enlightening.

I'm impressed you barely post an average of 1 post a year...

now you post to opine "you're missing the point" but don't bother to share your enlightenment regarding the 21st, leaving the rest of us in the dark?

P.S. ... check your math on 13+ years. You may use a calculator.

 

[snapthis]

Welcome to the pilotforums, ON2ALK.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

A "three way" is illegal under RLA.
I wanted an objective, measurable standard to apply. I was overruled. The rest is history.

The only M/B airline integration that I know of, that has actually gone to full arbitration was in the Republic Merger(s).
Let me count the airline groups in that process (and you tell me what unions/no unions represented each them)

Republic
Lynxx
Midwest Express
Frontier

Are just "three ways" illegal? What about "four ways?"

As to your objectives at the beginning, I believe you are in the company of many others who also may have not agreed with the exact final outcome. One methodology prevailed, and was voted on by all the members. Thence a new bargaining agent with an old outlook on seniority integrations.

Best,

Greeter

 

[Claxon]

That would be a first. He rides the short bus to this forum.

Immature statement. Insensitive to some who may frequent this board.

 

[Claxon]

The only M/B airline integration that I know of, that has actually gone to full arbitration was in the Republic Merger(s).
Let me count the airline groups in that process (and you tell me what unions/no unions represented each them)

Republic
Lynxx
Midwest Express
Frontier

Are just "three ways" illegal? What about "four ways?"

As to your objectives at the beginning, I believe you are in the company of many others who also may have not agreed with the exact final outcome. One methodology prevailed, and was voted on by all the members. Thence a new bargaining agent with an old outlook on seniority integrations.

Best,

Greeter

In addition to your facts, Southwest, Air Tran handled things without going to arbitration under the M/B laws.

 

[ON2ALK]

I'm impressed you barely post an average of 1 post a year...

now you post to opine "you're missing the point" but don't bother to share your enlightenment regarding the 21st, leaving the rest of us in the dark?

P.S. ... check your math on 13+ years. You may use a calculator.

I didn't really look myself. It was a guess. It's been a long time. I know that. The 21st will be when the cards hit the table. Silver is cleary driving at something. She didn't forget her prior order, she knows current negotiations are filled with legal pitfalls and are mostly pointless. She's looking for something else.

That's all. I'm done. I'm no so interested that I'm going to waste 10 years on here like some. Good Luck.

 

[Pi brat]

Siegal a lawyer with years of experience says it is ripe.

You, who I doubt even has a law degree say otherwise. Who oh who should I believe?

Siegal is paid by the hour to find a way to do what his clients want. Just like Marty. Siegel's clients have Billion$ of reasons to want it ripe.

This is what the 9th said, what's changed?
"A question is fit for decision when it can be decided without considering “contingent future events that may or may not occur as anticipated, or indeed may not occur at all. "

Is the MOU not dependent on a merger that has not been approved by the government or US stockholders?

You know what? If 5 or so west pilots can have a seat at the table with the lawyer then I want one too. I don't trust USAPA either and with the 9th's ruling and Judge Silver's last ruling I think they are out of order.

 

[Metroyet]

Siegal is paid by the hour to find a way to do what his clients want. Just like Marty. Siegel's clients have Billion$ of reasons to want it ripe.

This is what the 9th said, what's changed?
"A question is fit for decision when it can be decided without considering “contingent future events that may or may not occur as anticipated, or indeed may not occur at all. "

Is the MOU not dependent on a merger that has not been approved by the government or US stockholders?

You know what? If 5 or so west pilots can have a seat at the table with the lawyer then I want one too. I don't trust USAPA either and with the 9th's ruling and Judge Silver's last ruling I think they are out of order.

You're right. USAPA should have told Silver to go pound sand...