April/May 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Claxon]

Now you are telling us you were in court in PHX for the hearing? You saw him crap his pants with your own eyes?

Are you capable of telling the truth or even recognizing it in a passing fashion? You are one sick individual.

Yes, was right next to Kevin when Silvers eyes turned into lasers and lit Pats hair.
Captain Gay, it ain't going to be pretty this time.
You have no position to begin negotiating. You will accept what your union wants.

 

[ON2ALK]

"WELL I DID SAY THEY DID NOT HAVE TO USE THE NICOLAU,OKAY". You should have seen Marty crap his pants when that came out of Silver.

She did say that last time. That isn't in dispute. I doubt very much Marty forgot she said that. However, You entirly miss the context, and the over arching point of that. She also repeatedly reminded the parties that abandoning the Nic put them on dangerous ground. It doesn't have to be the nic. It has to be fair and equitable. How USAPA gets there is the question.

 

[ON2ALK]

That's what the company said, right before the court refused to dismiss it. I wonder why they refused?

2 reasons. No final ruling from Silver yet, and the POR hasn't occured. Either one of those makes the appeal moot. It will have no bearing what so ever on the E/W seniority integration method.

 

[Bill Brasky]

2 reasons. No final ruling from Silver yet, and the POR hasn't occured. Either one of those makes the appeal moot. It will have no bearing what so ever on the E/W seniority integration method.

That will depend on how Judge Silver rules in the present case before her. If she rules the way I believe she will, you are correct. If she does not allow USAPA to abandon the Nic, as was the premise of her Order in the DJ, it most certainly could have an impact. Also, the ruling may spell out exactly what the company's responsibilities are with respect to SLI positions.

 

[Claxon]

Bottom line.

Declaratory Judgment, was in favor of USAPA.

Latest DFR will be dismissed.

December 12, 2012

IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF ARIZONA
US Airways, Inc.,
Plaintiff,
vs.
Don Addington, et al.,
Defendants.
))))))))))
No. CV-10-01570-PHX-ROS
AMENDED JUDGMENT
(to add description of class)
Pursuant to the Court’s resolution of the motions for summary judgment,
IT IS ORDERED Counts I and III of the complaint are dismissed and judgment is
entered in favor of US Airline Pilots Association on Count II of the complaint. US Airline
Pilots Association’s seniority proposal does not breach its duty of fair representation
provided it is supported by a legitimate union purpose. This judgment is binding on the
following class: “All pilots employed by US Airways in September 2008 who were on the
America West seniority list on September 20, 2005.”
DATED this 4th day of December, 2012.

The Honorable Judge Silver

 

[ON2ALK]

Bottom line.

Declaratory Judgment, was in favor of USAPA.

Latest DFR will be dismissed.

December 12, 2012

IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF ARIZONA
US Airways, Inc.,
Plaintiff,
vs.
Don Addington, et al.,
Defendants.
))))))))))
No. CV-10-01570-PHX-ROS
AMENDED JUDGMENT
(to add description of class)
Pursuant to the Court’s resolution of the motions for summary judgment,
IT IS ORDERED Counts I and III of the complaint are dismissed and judgment is
entered in favor of US Airline Pilots Association on Count II of the complaint. US Airline
Pilots Association’s seniority proposal does not breach its duty of fair representation
provided it is supported by a legitimate union purpose. This judgment is binding on the
following class: “All pilots employed by US Airways in September 2008 who were on the
America West seniority list on September 20, 2005.”
DATED this 4th day of December, 2012.

The Honorable Judge Silver

All true. However you're still missing the point. The 21st will be rather enlightening.

 

[cleardirect]

Nope, won't work. The East would be stupid to agree to that. You have nothing to offer. The ONLY way I would agree to another arbitration would be with 3 or more arbitrators on the panel, clean slates (i.e. no Nic, can't even be presented, in order to preclude any misunderstanding about it's relevance), and clear guidance including preference for LOS or DOH as part of the formula, just like ALPA has done.

Anything less would be an abdication of principles for USAPA. You guys could have had some of your windfall years ago, but elected not to, even firing your lawyer that recommended you do so. Pretty stupid, wasn't it?

You go girl!

Run right out today and start a petition drive for just that. Collect signatures from all the east angry FO's and you demand that your reps do just what you want.

Tell them DOH or death. Anyone saying anything other than DOH will be recalled and receive the dreaded pink panty award.

Ignore what the judge told you and you stand your ground. Tell that judge she is not the boss of you. Damn the torpedoes full speed ahead.

I expect to see that petition by the end of the day. Now get to work.

 

[Bill Brasky]

All true. However you're still missing the point. The 21st will be rather enlightening.

He didn't miss any point, you are, though.

So, which of the three or four westies are you? Time to switch identities again, huh?

 

[Bill Brasky]

You go girl!

Run right out today and start a petition drive for just that. Collect signatures from all the east angry FO's and you demand that your reps do just what you want.

Tell them DOH or death. Anyone saying anything other than DOH will be recalled and receive the dreaded pink panty award.

Ignore what the judge told you and you stand your ground. Tell that judge she is not the boss of you. Damn the torpedoes full speed ahead.

I expect to see that petition by the end of the day. Now get to work.

I don't need a petition. What is it about "YOU LOSE!" don't you get. Come on now, I didn't stutter....

 

[crazystnic]

No, there is not another re do. Let's finish the battle. The West insisted Nic or nothing, and never was willing to compromise. DOH with c&r s. this thing is over and done with. I am not willing to open another door for a surprise. If you give AA a 7 yr fence and 10 on the bigger stuff they will bite.
The West is going to sue with anything you propose. If you think you can compromise, you are mistaken.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Bingo, not taking clear's offer. They wanted this to be a battle, refused to talk. so now we are at the end and will see this to it's rightful conclusion of fairness. Every other airline knows how screwed up the NIC was, thus the change in the process.

 

[Claxon]

All true. However you're still missing the point. The 21st will be rather enlightening.

There is no point to miss. Judgement was favor of USAPA regarding seniority.

This latest suit bought about by the west is frivolous.

 

[crazystnic]

The company pays the tab.

What difference does it make if it is one or three? You think you have a better case with three?

The facts don't change with the number of arbitrators. He has only two choices. A or B, the Nicolau of DOH.

If what usapa has been saying for years that DOH is the gold standard it should not take three arbitrators to decide. One is all we need.


xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

we have come all this way and we are going to leave it up to someone else.. ah the answer is NO

 

[nycbusdriver]

The time line is very short. First available arbitrator,

That's a laugh. No doubt, the first available arbitrator would be Nicolau, since he isn't doing much these days.

 

[ON2ALK]

He didn't miss any point, you are, though.

So, which of the three or four westies are you? Time to switch identities again, huh?

check my profile. I've had a handle on this board for 13+ years. Pretty amazing foresight on my part to fake an ID for this silly purpose that long ago isn't it? If I had those powers of preminition, I'd be 600+ million dollars richer today.

 

[ON2ALK]

There is no point to miss. Judgement was favor of USAPA regarding seniority.

This latest suit bought about by the west is frivolous.

Exactly. You're reading the situation perfectly.