April/May 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Phoenix]

I don't think I won, but I'm still trying to figure out what I've lost. Looking at the numbers I could tell you that you've lost almost a billion dollars, but you might not feel that way.

Bean

Of all industries, the airline business is the epitome to demonstrate that "woulda, coulda, shoulda" supposed gains are not even worth a smirk or a laugh, much less a tear.

 

[Beancounter]

Of all industries, the airline business is the epitome to demonstrate that "woulda, coulda, shoulda" supposed gains are not even worth a smirk or a laugh, much less a tear.

What, you're ready to move on too?

Bean

 

[EastUS1]

Of all industries, the airline business is the epitome to demonstrate that "woulda, coulda, shoulda" supposed gains are not even worth a smirk or a laugh, much less a tear.

Amen sir.

 

[Phoenix]

... Nobody knows how that process will end up,..

True dat. And now with Silver thinking allowed about opening her court to provide NMB services... the participants of the process are not even known with certainty.

 

[crazystnic]

THE COURT: Here's what I need: Briefing on​

McCaskill-Bond issues and that is the applicability of the 1978​

CAB precedence now as to whether or not there is a -- this​

Court -- those precedents are now applicable and whether this​

Court has the authority to then order what occurred previously,​

that is before 1978 where everybody, whether there was a​

substantial difference of opinion amongst the employees, the​

material employees, whether or not everybody had a right to be​

at the table for the purpose of determining here seniority

And the second thing, counsel -- don't answer this​

today but are you going to stipulate to the facts that are​

relevant for the Court determining whether or not there is a​

violation of the duty of fair representation? I have heard --​

it has been briefed to some extent but I have heard here today​

that there perhaps would be a stipulation as to what those​

facts are or are we going to have to have a hearing where I'm​

going to have to make credibility determinations which is only​

going to slow the process down, and I don't think it's going to​

be of benefit to anyone.​

Finally, if I were to find

be of benefit to anyone.​

Finally, if I were to find a violation of the duty of​

fair representation, I want briefed what the remedy could be or​

should be.​

And then, finally, number four, as we did the last​

time, there has been at least some suggestions by both counsel​

in good faith that you might be able to work this out. I am​

going to strong recommend that you do that if you can and do so​

in short order so that this issue of seniority will finally be​

resolved and we can go forward with this merger and fairly and​

equitably be resolved as I ordered previously. And I am not​

going to repeat my order.

So you are -- I am going to order you to meet,​

confer, and inasmuch as, Mr. Siegel, this is obviously​

something that is very important to you and American Airlines,​

if you can engage in the negotiations, apparently -- you're not

an arbitrator but apparently perhaps you have tried to do this​

because of your own interest, the company's interest. Let's​

get it done.​

So today is the 14th and let me hear from you on --​

by the end of the day on the 21st.

yeah right, we are going to solve this in a week

 

[crazystnic]

It's also a full day past prechill's "T-" countdown, an' I ain't seein' no rockets' red glare at all...at least not of the incoming variety. But then: "St. Nic" wasn't actually "coming to town" in December of 2007 either, or for that matter ever, it would seem. While too often a callous sob; I don't have the blackened heart needed to do so, so someone else can ask her about her arrogantly voiced intent to take a left seat in a 330 shortly.

Love the Satire, ever consider stand up! your the best

 

[nycbusdriver]

Wow! That was actually said in court "by both counsel in good faith"? Whew! Well...should anyone ever doubt that lawyers routinely lie; they need search no further for proof. If it please the Court; I now call prechil/ames/resj/et al to the stand.

"NO fences!"...."Ho ho ho! St Nic is coming to town!"....Umm....Or Not, as seems to be the case here.

I found those comments from the transcript interesting, especially the USAPA attorney's discomfort that this was coming out in court. Something has been going on behind the scenes and the judge made reference to it. What is USAPA not telling us about the secret negotiations?

 

[EastUS1]

yeah right, we are going to solve this in a week

Oh ye of little faith! I say we just admit that actual magic's clearly required for that to even be a remote possibility, and properly call upon "Larry Potta"/any/all west "wizards"

https://www.youtube....feecbzFQfxT_9pQ

 

[EastUS1]

I found those comments from the transcript interesting, especially the USAPA attorney's discomfort that this was coming out in court. Something has been going on behind the scenes and the judge made reference to it. What is USAPA not telling us about the secret negotiations?

Sadly agreed, although I see no nic coming out of this. I've long held the needed cynicism to assume that whenever lawyers' lips are moving in courtrooms; lies, or shall we gently just say "misrepresentations" are essentially being told.

PS: That's no inherent slam, since it's their job to do whatever's best for their clients. As a longtime-actual-lawyer-friend expressed it: "Well...Let's go old-school for a moment here. Wouldn't you rather attack from above with the sun behind you? Wouldn't that be unfair?"

 

[Bill Brasky]

It's also a full day past prechill's "T-" countdown, an' I ain't seein' no rockets' red glare at all...at least not of the incoming variety. But then: "St. Nic" wasn't actually "coming to town" in December of 2007 either, or for that matter ever, it would seem. While too often a callous sob; I don't have the blackened heart needed to do so, so someone else can ask her about her arrogantly voiced intent to take a left seat in a 330 shortly.

I'll save her a left seat in the 330. It'll be in coach, near the lav.

 

[cltrat]

It's also a full day past prechill's "T-" countdown, an' I ain't seein' no rockets' red glare at all...at least not of the incoming variety. But then: "St. Nic" wasn't actually "coming to town" in December of 2007 either, or for that matter ever, it would seem. While too often a callous sob; I don't have the blackened heart needed to do so, so someone else can ask her about her arrogantly voiced intent to take a left seat in a 330 shortly.

by the time she sees the left seat of a 330 she will need a walker to get to it..lol

 

[EastUS1]

I'll save her a left seat in the 330. It'll be in coach, near the lav.

Given the free-flowing rivers of endless west acid over the years; your not seating her in the lav itself demonstrates you to be a gentleman sir.

 

[EastUS1]

Love the Satire, ever consider stand up! your the best

Thank-ya'-very-much sir, but that'd require some actual talent for comedy...and, from the Book of Eastwood: "A man's gotta' know his limitations."

 

[EastUS1]

by the time she sees the left seat of a 330 she will need a walker to get to it..lol

Well, in fairness: How many of us out east don't now, regardless of aircraft?

 

[Beancounter]

Ya know with all this talk about A330s, I think my sights are set too low. I fantasize about what I had prior to the merger, a line-holder FO in the 737. Am I being too greedy to dream of 737-800s? Before any American pilots jump down my neck, let's clarify the 737 pays the same as the A320.

Bean