April/May 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Phoenix]

yeah right, we are going to solve this in a week

The implication is that if we don't she will do something really, really, baaadd. Not sure how much she can insert her own opinion into a contingent MOU. The 9th knew the place and time for them to get involved, and as SIlver said, "They are always right."

 

[EastUS1]

The implication is that if we don't she will do something really, really, baaadd. Not sure how much she can insert her own opinion into a contingent MOU. The 9th knew the place and time for them to get involved, and as SIlver said, "They are always right."

Indeed. It's an interesting proceeding to watch unfold.

 

[Beancounter]

The implication is that if we don't she will do something really, really, baaadd. Not sure how much she can insert her own opinion into a contingent MOU. The 9th knew the place and time for them to get involved, and as SIlver said, "They are always right."

That's the thing about the 9th, even when they're wrong, they're right.

Bean

 

[EastUS1]

That's the thing about the 9th, even when they're wrong, they're right.

Bean

Yep. All grand or even little empires have their heirarchies, the legal system being no exception.

 

[Phoenix]

That's the thing about the 9th, even when they're wrong, they're right.

Bean

If your name aint John Roberts....

Its sorta like democracy. When the majority does something stupid, its still right. And the rest of us get crappy, expensive medical, and an IRS audit.

 

[traderjake]

He has no medical and will not for a long time he his not eligible to be in office anymore I believe. Nope no joke.

Isn't Cleary out on a medical?

 

[luvthe9]

Isn't Cleary out on a medical?

No idea!!!

 

[Crzipilot]

Question after reading the transcripts. Everyone is talking about this going to a 3 way into M/B arbitration. The company is obviously floating this idea... Silver seems to have bit the bait and asked for a briefing on how she can rule such in this instance.

The company seems to be hanging this idea of having the west represented independantly via procedures the CAB used prior to '78 Silver even picked up on this and even asked, how does something predating '78 apply to a new federal law. In addition it was an agency, with internal procedures and how am I to correlate that to the new law that's on the books. Siegel I believe said that the new law was just a resurrection of the old CAB Mohawk provisions.

I'm thinking Silver would love to be able to order the three way, but I don't think the company is going to be able to give her the ammo to order such under a new Federal Law......

 

[luvthe9]

Question after reading the transcripts. Everyone is talking about this going to a 3 way into M/B arbitration. The company is obviously floating this idea... Silver seems to have bit the bait and asked for a briefing on how she can rule such in this instance.

I'm thinking Silver would love to be able to order the three way, but I don't think the company is going to be able to give her the ammo to order such under a new Federal Law......

I would doubt it very much a judge can not tell a union how to run it's bussiness. USAPA is the bargainning agent for the east and west, one DOH list.

 

[Phoenix]

Question after reading the transcripts. Everyone is talking about this going to a 3 way into M/B arbitration. The company is obviously floating this idea... Silver seems to have bit the bait and asked for a briefing on how she can rule such in this instance.

The company seems to be hanging this idea of having the west represented independantly via procedures the CAB used prior to '78 Silver even picked up on this and even asked, how does something predating '78 apply to a new federal law. In addition it was an agency, with internal procedures and how am I to correlate that to the new law that's on the books. Siegel I believe said that the new law was just a resurrection of the old CAB Mohawk provisions.

I'm thinking Silver would love to be able to order the three way, but I don't think the company is going to be able to give her the ammo to order such under a new Federal Law......

It sounds like a great destination on an island far away, with umbrella drinks for everyone.... gotta get there, its to die for... but its a long bridge to build, across a lot of open water with rough seas.

It would be a lot easier to let it all play out according to the MOU. Throw in an injunction requiring USAPA to consider the Nic while they carefully negotiate for something within a wide range of reasonableness.

 

[Phoenix]

I would doubt it very much a judge can not tell a union how to run it's bussiness. USAPA is the bargainning agent for the east and west, one DOH list.

Agree Silver has already ventured into being a mediator, is considering being the NMB, and would be way off the reservation if she morphed into the BPR.

Why not just follow the MOU.. present the reality of the two lists that actually exist, and bargain for DOH principles and C&R according to the constitution? No need to join two lists that have never been joined.

 

[nycbusdriver]

No idea!!!

I heard Cleary took medical leave. Again, third-hand info.

I don't think there is anything barring Hummel from being president due to being on a medical. He is still employed by US Airways, and he is not retired. If he goes on LTD, his job is still there if he can regain FAA medical certification. Pilots come back from LTD all the time.

 

[snapthis]

I would doubt it very much a judge can not tell a union how to run it's bussiness. USAPA is the bargainning agent for the east and west, one DOH list.

MR. SZYMANSKI: So, Your Honor, first of all, I​

think -- I thought that it was clear when we argued about the​

declaratory judgment action that USAPA's position was that the​

Nicolau Award was not its obligation and it did not plan to go​

ahead and propose the Nicolau Award or follow the Nicolau​

Award.​

THE COURT: You said that, I believe --​

MR. SZYMANSKI: Transcript from the argument?​

THE COURT: Yes. You're prepared to talk. We want​

to talk and we will want genuine engagement with the West​

Pilots about the seniority proposal and we are proposed to make​

changes. No changes.​

MR. SZYMANSKI: Changes in the date-of-hire proposal,​

not changes in the Nicolau proposal.​

THE COURT: Well, you never said that. If you had​

said that in open Court, then we would have had a hearing at​

that time because the issue was what I made quite clear is that​

you had to go forward. USAPA had to go forward and with an​

open mind and that the Nicolau Award was not irrelevant. It​

was to be considered.​

 

[snapthis]

Afraid I'm equally in the dark there snap. I can only hope he's doing as well as possible and will recover fully. We can all be grateful for living in times where the tech exists to do anything useful with cardiac issues....speaking from the viewpoint of a younger brother who's elder survived quintuple bypass protocols after an attack, and has been doing very well for nearly a decade. I'll make the optimistic assumption that Mr. Hummel will be basically ok.

Thanks for the update, East. Glad to hear he is OK.

 

[EastUS1]

USAPA had to go forward and with an

open mind and that the Nicolau Award was not irrelevant. It​

was to be considered.​

Whew! "It was to be considered" is notably light years away from all the prior claims that "The Nic is IT!" over the years, wouldn't you say sir? Heck!...On a routine basis we sometimes all briefly "consider" even junk mail and spam, at least for the instant it takes to delete such.