April/May 2013 Pilot Discussion

[GuntherA320]

DJ US Airways v. Addington et. Al: "The appellant’s opposed motion to stay appellate proceedings is denied.
The opening brief is due June 5, 2013. The answering briefs are due July 5, 2013, and the optional reply brief is due within 14 days after service of the answering brief." That is all.

Just so people understand, you're talking about the 9th circuit appeals court. They denied US Airways motion to stay the appellate proceedings. In other words, the 9th circuit is going to have a say in what happens. Anyone want to guess what Judge Silver will do on the 14th of May?

 

[end_of_alpa]

Just so people understand, you're talking about the 9th circuit appeals court. They denied US Airways motion to stay the appellate proceedings. In other words, the 9th circuit is going to have a say in what happens. Anyone want to guess what Judge Silver will do on the 14th of May?

Oui, Oui, monsieur. Silver toutefois....MAI NON! Sacrebleu!

 

[Metroyet]

Just so people understand, you're talking about the 9th circuit appeals court. They denied US Airways motion to stay the appellate proceedings. In other words, the 9th circuit is going to have a say in what happens. Anyone want to guess what Judge Silver will do on the 14th of May?

Hear an entirely different case than the DJ the company filed for 2.5 years ago? The Company is going to drop the appeal. The whole exercise is pointless. There isn't now, or EVER WAS a "Hobson's Choice" that's the excuse that withdrew over a billion dollars out of your pocket. Entirely new circumstances, and entirely different motivation from the entities involved...NOW, not 2.5 years ago, well before you ratified a joint contract.

 

[Claxon]

After 8 years of trying to screw over the west you just now were ignored by a crew. It must have bothered you because you brought it up.

I have been getting the head turn, look at their shoes ignore from east pilots for years.

It is going to be real fun around here when judge Silver rolls the Nicolau up tight and inserts it as the only seniority list for US Airways pilots. You east pilots going to be friendly and say hello then?

Here comes Captain Gay again, with more pleasant news. Remember what Scott Kirby said when you asked about the Nicolau? "NO"

 

[Claxon]

Hear an entirely different case than the DJ the company filed for 2.5 years ago? The Company is going to drop the appeal. The whole exercise is pointless. There isn't now, or EVER WAS a "Hobson's Choice" that's the excuse that withdrew over a billion dollars out of your pocket. Entirely new circumstances, and entirely different motivation from the entities involved...NOW, not 2.5 years ago, well before you ratified a joint contract.

Kevin, you just picked another basket of expensive unripe fruit.

 

[GorgeousGeorge]

Hear an entirely different case than the DJ the company filed for 2.5 years ago? The Company is going to drop the appeal. The whole exercise is pointless. There isn't now, or EVER WAS a "Hobson's Choice" that's the excuse that withdrew over a billion dollars out of your pocket. Entirely new circumstances, and entirely different motivation from the entities involved...NOW, not 2.5 years ago, well before you ratified a joint contract.

Doen't USAPA support US Airways dropping the appeal? If US Airways withdraws its DJ appeal and Addington II is dismissed, does that not leave Silver's ruling of last year the law of the land?

 

[Claxon]

Just so people understand, you're talking about the 9th circuit appeals court. They denied US Airways motion to stay the appellate proceedings. In other words, the 9th circuit is going to have a say in what happens. Anyone want to guess what Judge Silver will do on the 14th of May?

She has already figured it out after her colleague Neil got spanked when he tried to do something stupid. She will give you a nice lecture about getting along, and dismiss the case.

 

[GuntherA320]

Hear an entirely different case than the DJ the company filed for 2.5 years ago? The Company is going to drop the appeal. The whole exercise is pointless. There isn't now, or EVER WAS a "Hobson's Choice" that's the excuse that withdrew over a billion dollars out of your pocket. Entirely new circumstances, and entirely different motivation from the entities involved...NOW, not 2.5 years ago, well before you ratified a joint contract.

The company may or may not drop the appeal. But I guarantee you that Judge Silver took notice that the 9th circuit is/was going to hear the complaint. I wouldn't expect Judge Silver to change her mind and issue a completely different ruling from the first DJ. The union has the right to bargain. A seniority list hasn't been decided yet. A JCBA has not been agreed to yet. I agree that the whole exercise in both DJ's is pointless. Maybe one day when there is something to rule on, you'll get your day in court.

 

[electricjet98]

So the Ninth will be looking at whether Silver made the correct decision earlier, based on the fact set she had available at that time? I'll be surprised if the company just doesn't withdraw it since a completely different fact set exists now...post-MOU?

 

[Res Judicata]

Doen't USAPA support US Airways dropping the appeal? If US Airways withdraws its DJ appeal and Addington II is dismissed, does that not leave Silver's ruling of last year the law of the land?

If she dismisses Addington II it can only be on ripeness. It HAS to be ripe at some point...everyone but USAPA agrees that time is now. So no, if she dismisses, AOL will file suit after every single development until we find ripeness. USAPA can't hide forever. If we have to play whack a mole until USCABA is decertified so be it.

 

[GuntherA320]

If she dismisses Addington II it can only be on ripeness. It HAS to be ripe at some point...everyone but USAPA agrees that time is now. So no, if she dismisses, AOL will file suit after every single development until we find ripeness. USAPA can't hide forever. If we have to play whack a mole until USCABA is decertified so be it.

You guys have been "whacking" off for quite some time now. Might as well see it through. Just remember, Marty needs to be paid. Donate early and often.

 

[electricjet98]

Doen't USAPA support US Airways dropping the appeal? If US Airways withdraws its DJ appeal and Addington II is dismissed, does that not leave Silver's ruling of last year the law of the land?

If Addington II is dismissed by Silver it would only be because of ripeness. So...it would just be a matter of time until the next and subsequent "levels of ripeness" appear. First would probably be POR and if unsuccessfull, followed by commencement of M/B.

 

[Claxon]

If she dismisses Addington II it can only be on ripeness. It HAS to be ripe at some point...everyone but USAPA agrees that time is now. So no, if she dismisses, AOL will file suit after every single development until we find ripeness. USAPA can't hide forever. If we have to play whack a mole until USCABA is decertified so be it.

That law degree from east Texas cowpie keeps getting you confused. That is the problem with all the half baked Leonidas brain trust. You and the ripeness thing is absolutely hilarious- to the tune of 3-4 million now.
That statement" it has to be ripe at some time...." Sums you up. Read the 9th and stop guessing. You need a JCBA.

 

[Phoenix]

Just so people understand, you're talking about the 9th circuit appeals court. They denied US Airways motion to stay the appellate proceedings. In other words, the 9th circuit is going to have a say in what happens. Anyone want to guess what Judge Silver will do on the 14th of May?

Probably put on a blindfold and walk across Independance blvd at noon!!

 

[electricjet98]

Probably put on a blindfold and walk across Independance blvd at noon!!

LOL...not bad!