April/May 2013 IAM Fleet Discussions

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Not sure what is up with the AA agents the passenger service agents recently voted NO for union representation

That vote failed by the slimmest of margins.AA wants the agents to remain non union, they've abused those poor SOB's for years and want to continue that.

Look at this anti union site they put up.

http://aaindependents.com/

Last week one of the agents at MIA was still wearing CWA pin. Is another card drive in the works? Which stations showed the greatest support?

Josh

 

[Solidarity]

That vote failed by the slimmest of margins.AA wants the agents to remain non union, they've abused those poor SOB's for years and want to continue that.

Look at this anti union site they put up.

http://aaindependents.com/

I believe that the reservation agents at AA were grouped in with the customer service agents at the airports. There is some type of a "bonus" for the reservation agent to complete a passenger ticket purchase over the phone that would have been forfeited if the union voted passed. It is a shame that these reservation agents do not know what type of a predicament they placed the customer service agents in and also their work group.

 

[freedom]

i just thought i would express my concern over the fact that in 2012 our pension fund made a 15% return .....

i'm sure that some people are going to say " OH BOY FIFTEEN PERCENT THAT'S GREAT!" ... but i'm not one of them .. such outsized gains are scary to me , especially after Bernie Madoff ... people should be frightened when they see huge gains ...

 

[Jester]

i just thought i would express my concern over the fact that in 2012 our pension fund made a 15% return .....

i'm sure that some people are going to say " OH BOY FIFTEEN PERCENT THAT'S GREAT!" ... but i'm not one of them .. such outsized gains are scary to me , especially after Bernie Madoff ... people should be frightened when they see huge gains ...

I think I need to start looking around the PHX ramp for someone wearing a tin foil hat... seriously? For 2012, the S&P 500 had a 11.8% return, and 2013 YTD the return has been 12.1% (2012: http://finance.yahoo...ource=undefined;, YTD2013:http://finance.yahoo...ource=undefined .) Based upon the IAM pension investment mix, being a few points above the S&P 500 isn't anything exceptional for a single year. Personally, I like a little more evidence before making accusations of fraud.

 

[PullUp]

Roa,
The National Right To Work Act is proposed legislation that represents a huge threat to unionism within the airline industry. It is indeed the latest "wolf at the door" for any union represented employee in the airline industry. You are absolutely right with your advice to members to pay close attention to where candidates stand on this issue in future elections. Union represented jobs could be short lived in the airline industry; depending on the results of mid term elections in 2014 and the elections in 2016. If enough anti union / pro business candidates are elected to tip the scales... union represented jobs in the airline industry will be gutted with the passing of The National Right To Work Act (NRTA). Members need to be very vigilant. The Wolf is at the door!

Any union worker that votes for republicans in any election is a fool.
Republicans want to take away your income and give it to the CEO to enhance the bottom line for stockholders.
Workers are chattel and are disposable and replaceable.
Republicans support this concept 100%.
It's happening to our teachers, government workers, and any other union jobholder in this country.
Wake up and vote out the obstructionist and anti-union/anti-worker republicans (and tea party-ers, too).
Cheers.

 

[freedom]

Any union worker that votes for republicans in any election is a fool.
Republicans want to take away your income and give it to the CEO to enhance the bottom line for stockholders.
Workers are chattel and are disposable and replaceable.
Republicans support this concept 100%.
It's happening to our teachers, government workers, and any other union jobholder in this country.
Wake up and vote out the obstructionist and anti-union/anti-worker republicans (and tea party-ers, too).
Cheers.

whoa there , the exact SAME can be said for the Democrats .... they literally want to GIVE this country away to third world workers ....... how many fields have been over run and destroyed by illegal immigrants ... construction , plumping , roofing ,warehouse work, land scaping , service jobs in food industry .....

If it wasn't for the requirement that airport employee's pass background checks our industry too would be over run and our wages depressed ..

Democrats are currently pushing to legalize the 11 million (and probably more ) illegal immigrants currently in our country .

if they get legal status .... god help the blue collar workers of America .

 

[T5towbar]

Any union worker that votes for republicans in any election is a fool.
Republicans want to take away your income and give it to the CEO to enhance the bottom line for stockholders.
Workers are chattel and are disposable and replaceable.
Republicans support this concept 100%.
It's happening to our teachers, government workers, and any other union jobholder in this country.
Wake up and vote out the obstructionist and anti-union/anti-worker republicans (and tea party-ers, too).
Cheers.

So true. They will work to destroy all decent paying jobs and turn them into "Walmart" type jobs with no pay, benefits, or working conditions. That is businesses wet dream. They use words as "right to work" or other terms that sound good, but if passed, it will take away all of our rights. That's why they are constantly attacking the two of the most strongest and powerful unions in this country: Teachers and Government Workers. If those two fall, Unionism as we know it is dead. If they fall, well say good-bye to the middle class. So the attacks are relentless on those two groups. They attack teachers who have a impossible job, and blame them for all of societies ills. They want to attack the public sector workers because they cost too much and their pensions are unaffordable. And it is non stop! What other two unions have the manpower and strength to fight this onslaught? The rest of us have been beaten down by outsourcing and technology (and the financial mismanagements, ie: bankruptcy).

Sidebar question: Why cant Walmart pay their workers 10.00 (or more to start) an hour AND their benefits, instead of us taxpayers subsidizing them? If they only did that, the retail sector can stand on it's own. But I digress........

 

[PullUp]

whoa there , the exact SAME can be said for the Democrats .... they literally want to GIVE this country away to third world workers ....... how many fields have been over run and destroyed by illegal immigrants ... construction , plumping , roofing ,warehouse work, land scaping , service jobs in food industry .....

If it wasn't for the requirement that airport employee's pass background checks our industry too would be over run and our wages depressed ..

Democrats are currently pushing to legalize the 11 million (and probably more ) illegal immigrants currently in our country .

if they get legal status .... god help the blue collar workers of America .

I'm not saying democrats are the unions' saviors, but I know for a fact that republicans are the arch enemy of labor everywhere.

 

[necigrad]

i just thought i would express my concern over the fact that in 2012 our pension fund made a 15% return .....

i'm sure that some people are going to say " OH BOY FIFTEEN PERCENT THAT'S GREAT!" ... but i'm not one of them .. such outsized gains are scary to me , especially after Bernie Madoff ... people should be frightened when they see huge gains ...

Freedom, you're an idiot. By your logic I should be concerned about MY 401(k). My returns are:
2003: 55.1%
2004: 12.5%
2005: 11.3%
2006: 16.4%
2007: 11.7%
2008: -39.5%
2009: 31.0%
2010: 17.0%
2011: -5.5%
2012: 19.2%

That's a 12.92% average. 2013 is at 13.3% so far. 15% is quite good. Yes, there ARE risks involved, but there are risks with ANY investing. If you think any person or organization can survive on 6% you're crazy!

 

[ograc]

whoa there , the exact SAME can be said for the Democrats .... they literally want to GIVE this country away to third world workers ....... how many fields have been over run and destroyed by illegal immigrants ... construction , plumping , roofing ,warehouse work, land scaping , service jobs in food industry .....

If it wasn't for the requirement that airport employee's pass background checks our industry too would be over run and our wages depressed ..

Democrats are currently pushing to legalize the 11 million (and probably more ) illegal immigrants currently in our country .

if they get legal status .... god help the blue collar workers of America .

Let's not get into Republicans vs. Democrats. It's a never ending debate. Your thoughts on the proposed National Right To Work Act legislation please. Would you agree or disagree it is anti-union legislation? Would you agree or disagree, if passed, it would have an adverse affect on union represented jobs in the airline industry? This is the issue being discussed. Hold your thoughts on illegal immigrants for another discussion. Injecting another issue tends to muddy the waters. This is an issue members need to remain vigilant on.

 

[ograc]

Any union worker that votes for republicans in any election is a fool.
Republicans want to take away your income and give it to the CEO to enhance the bottom line for stockholders.
Workers are chattel and are disposable and replaceable.
Republicans support this concept 100%.
It's happening to our teachers, government workers, and any other union jobholder in this country.
Wake up and vote out the obstructionist and anti-union/anti-worker republicans (and tea party-ers, too).
Cheers.

Although I agree republicans have always been about big business and anti-union legislation; many democrats have a questionable stance regarding pro labor legislation. With that being said... as ROA pointed out, this proposed National Right To Work legislation, is the most recent "wolf at the door" attack on union representation on the hill. Wheather you lean Republican or Democrat... this legislation, if passed, will have an adverse impact on union represented jobs in the airline industry. I would strongly urge all union represented employees in the industry to research candidates' positions on this issue and vote accordingly.

 

[freedom]

I will NOT hold my thoughts on the legalization of 11 million or more people just WAITING to poach our jobs ... It's the greatest threat to blue collar workers ive ever seen in my life time .

Sure the republican part passes legislation that harms unions from time to time but at least they are not trying to annihilate us .

 

[ograc]

I will NOT hold my thoughts on the legalization of 11 million or more people just WAITING to poach our jobs ... It's the greatest threat to blue collar workers ive ever seen in my life time .

Sure the republican part passes legislation that harms unions from time to time but at least they are not trying to annihilate us .

Freedom,
Again... I ask what your opinion is of the proposed National Right To Work Act. Set aside other legislation for now. You seem to be eluding the question.

 

[freedom]

To be honest I have no idea what the legislation says , doesn't really matter to me as I'm a straight ticket republican , until such time the other party becomes more blue collar friendly .

 

[robbedagain]

freedom you might want to recheck the illegal immigrant crap as it is a combination of both repub and demo...
orgac that entire natl right to work act in my own honest opin is one if not the single biggest threat to all union working people and as i see it fit it should not pass period.. and if it does then its high flying time we the american voters ought to vote every single one of those idiots right out of office in dc and repeal that.. while its true that repubs have always been traditionally the pro mgmt and anti union there are few demos that go along with it just as it is the other way around too