April/May 2013 IAM Fleet Discussions

[charlie Brown]

stand up character? Who is the one posting under charlie brown? I think if someone thinks i am my own worst enemy then they are misled insomuch as i dont kiss the established ass in over 15 years of less than fair representation by the iam. I do enjoy the respect that the membership has given me. Winning organizing drives command respect when i worked for the establishment. Flying down to clt and walking past you and every established leader that clt has to pick up my nomination there was respec from the masses. Getting out the no vote on a arsehat ta at ua and shutting it down over the "establishment" when im not even a united employee shows credentials. Suspending my campaign and putting together a complaint against ou and the entire eboard is also pending but undetermined at this time. I have reason to believe a determination is coming this week. Time will tell.
Im not your little brother and i always find it interesting how you and the establishment continue to show disregard for some things. You arent concerned about me opinion? That is disappointing since my opinion has been in the strong majority most times (and each leadership team has noted this) i exercised my opinion on a ua or us contract vote (. I realize there are some pollyannaism on this forum but i think you ought to do a better job of considering opinions thanthe ua nc. And can you ask delaney to post the loa you guys are talking about? Its a fair request and im not sure why i should even have to ask this since our members deserve the respect to br able to read it. regards

Tim
You said a couple of post back for me to take things in context. How about you doing the same. I respect the membership a great deal. Like I said that's why I get on here. Anyone that knows me will agree with that. I don't consider myself above anyone on here. However you have never from day one had a positive thing to say about the N/C. And even though you deny it now, you said we would never be at this point. You said we would all kiss Delaneys _ _ _ _ and let him take us to joint talks. Now that were not in joint talks, and actually making some progress, you now want to get on here and put that down. But yet it's disappointing to you when I say " I don't care what YOU think" well get over yourself. I'll listen to any members that have suggestions on how to better fleet service. However you want to do nothing but divide and conquer fleet service. So let me disappoint you one more time and clarify that I don't care what Tim Nelson thinks. And for the record, you didn't walk by me in clt. You were already there when I arrived. I walked by you!

 

[freedom]

The IBT has nothing to do with Fleet or Maintenance at US or AA.

And once again your wrong freedom, the IBT and CWA share representation of the CSA and RES at US.

How ? Why would unions "share" the membership ? That sounds silly to me ...

 

[700UW]

Are you that obtuse?

It has been going on since the merger, for over 8 years now.

 

[ograc]

Tim
You said a couple of post back for me to take things in context. How about you doing the same. I respect the membership a great deal. Like I said that's why I get on here. Anyone that knows me will agree with that. I don't consider myself above anyone on here. However you have never from day one had a positive thing to say about the N/C. And even though you deny it now, you said we would never be at this point. You said we would all kiss Delaneys _ _ _ _ and let him take us to joint talks. Now that were not in joint talks, and actually making some progress, you now want to get on here and put that down. But yet it's disappointing to you when I say " I don't care what YOU think" well get over yourself. I'll listen to any members that have suggestions on how to better fleet service. However you want to do nothing but divide and conquer fleet service. So let me disappoint you one more time and clarify that I don't care what Tim Nelson thinks. And for the record, you didn't walk by me in clt. You were already there when I arrived. I walked by you!

Charlie,
The progress you and the rest of the NC made this past week is commendable and speaking for the members I represent... greatly appreciated. Positive achievement needs to be recognized. The NC needs to stay focused on the game plan and build on the momentum without being distracted by the nay sayers. They will never acknowledge a job being well done... unless their names are on it. As Dog Wonder would say... carry on Brother.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim
You said a couple of post back for me to take things in context. How about you doing the same. I respect the membership a great deal. Like I said that's why I get on here. Anyone that knows me will agree with that. I don't consider myself above anyone on here. However you have never from day one had a positive thing to say about the N/C. And even though you deny it now, you said we would never be at this point. You said we would all kiss Delaneys _ _ _ _ and let him take us to joint talks. Now that were not in joint talks, and actually making some progress, you now want to get on here and put that down. But yet it's disappointing to you when I say " I don't care what YOU think" well get over yourself. I'll listen to any members that have suggestions on how to better fleet service. However you want to do nothing but divide and conquer fleet service. So let me disappoint you one more time and clarify that I don't care what Tim Nelson thinks. And for the record, you didn't walk by me in clt. You were already there when I arrived. I walked by you!

huh? You havent done anything different. Calm down, joint talks cant happen until the merger is complete. Delaney negotiated in section 6 at ua until one year after single carrier so get your facts straight. Did ur little brother walk past you in your own station against your recommendation and the 4 agcs there and bust off a nomination right in front of you. you establishment boys just dont listen you dont listen and you will make the same mistakes as the other nc. Are you going to tell everyone the small ass wage you guys are asking the company for? Lol

 

[charlie Brown]

Charlie,
The progress you and the rest of the NC made this past week is commendable and speaking for the members I represent... greatly appreciated. Positive achievement needs to be recognized. The NC needs to stay focused on the game plan and build on the momentum without being distracted by the nay sayers. They will never acknowledge a job being well done... unless their names are on it. As Dog Wonder would say... carry on Brother.

Ograc
I appreciate the words brother. I assure you, the whole committee will stay focused on the goal. And I will continue to give as many updates as possible. I just like a good argument every now and then. I feel for the most part we are coming together as a work group. Is it as fast and strong as we want it? No. But our members have to have something to get a little bit excited about first. We've been beat down so long, it's hard for most of our guys to realize, hey we don't have to take it anymore.

 

[700UW]

Wow, a nomination, did you get a plaque and a medal too?

A nomination means nothing if you cant get elected, and you finished in third place, nothing to be proud of.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Ograc
I appreciate the words brother. I assure you, the whole committee will stay focused on the goal. And I will continue to give as many updates as possible. I just like a good argument every now and then. I feel for the most part we are coming together as a work group. Is it as fast and strong as we want it? No. But our members have to have something to get a little bit excited about first. We've been beat down so long, it's hard for most of our guys to realize, hey we don't have to take it anymore.

please ask delaney to post the loa so the membership can read it. Thank you in advance. regards,

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

I'm going on the record as opposing the "Dual Representation" scheme.I've yet to see anyone address what happens where both US and AA have large operations.DCA, BOS and LGA for starters.Never mind what I've read about the "Alliance of Incompetence" with the CWA and IBT both harvesting dues from passenger service.

The president of the AFL-CIO is all "Rah Rah" but he was appointed to his position.We've got guys at LGA with 14 years who can't hold F/T FFS!

Does anyone really think management won't use two unions interpreting contract language to their fullest advantage? Please.

This idea is a train wreck waiting to happen.

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

please ask delaney to post the loa so the membership can read it. Thank you in advance. regards,

Ask and ye shall receive.

http://www.twubkfacts.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=Fn348Z95OZQ%3d&tabid=1494

 

[Tim Nelson]

Wow, a nomination, did you get a plaque and a medal too?

A nomination means nothing if you cant get elected, and you finished in third place, nothing to be proud of.

yes, a nomination in a hub when the entire establishment is against ya is an accomplishment and shows that clt masses respect my stance, many of which knew me for 30 years. Running for prez is tough, especially when alot of ua didnt know me at the time. I suspended the campaign after 11 days because of what i saw as misappropriation of funds by our eboard. Thus i shifted to a legal battle. That determination should happen this week. Time will tell. regards,

 

[charlie Brown]

please ask delaney to post the loa so the membership can read it. Thank you in advance. regards,

Tim
I thought it was going to get posted, but seen today it wasn't, I'm going to make some calls tomorrow, I was too busy today, but you may have to give me a couple of days. That's the best I can do.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Ask and ye shall receive.

http://www.twubkfacts.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=Fn348Z95OZQ%3d&tabid=1494

thanks jfk. But i was referring to the other loa our nc got but has refused to make public on the official web page. Unlike other unions and other districts, our eboard treats us like children and withholds information. Something is wrong. regards,

 

[charlie Brown]

huh? You havent done anything different. Calm down, joint talks cant happen until the merger is complete. Delaney negotiated in section 6 at ua until one year after single carrier so get your facts straight. Did ur little brother walk past you in your own station against your recommendation and the 4 agcs there and bust off a nomination right in front of you. you establishment boys just dont listen you dont listen and you will make the same mistakes as the other nc. Are you going to tell everyone the small ass wage you guys are asking the company for? Lol

It's late for me, I'm about as calm as I get. Don't recall 4 AGC,s. and like I said. You never walked by me. Why do you want to keep living the nomination in clt??? It's over!! Been over. You won nomination. Lost the election!! But who cares now? Lets move on to what's important. You keep wanting to talk about election crap! Lets take a poll. How many on here wants to keep talking about election stuff??? Please post yes.

 

[necigrad]

I don't believe the IBT is a member of the AFL-CIO.

I'm almost certain you're right. I think they got kicked out for poaching or something.

I'm going on the record as opposing the "Dual Representation" scheme.I've yet to see anyone address what happens where both US and AA have large operations.DCA, BOS and LGA for starters.Never mind what I've read about the "Alliance of Incompetence" with the CWA and IBT both harvesting dues from passenger service.

It'll be interesting for sure.

We've got guys at LGA with 14 years who can't hold F/T FFS!

And the problem? Fifteen in LAS will get you PT. At the bottom.