April/May 2013 IAM Fleet Discussions

[robbedagain]

wonder how they felt after they struck at nwa and failed when a large number of their own folks they represented crossed over
crossing over is wrong in my own opin but so is that statement they have on there that mike posted

 

[psa8979]

mike33 it was the best job any 21yr. old surfer dude could ask for. It didn't pay much but the fringe benefits and view was awesome ! As far as I know I'm the last PSA Crew Bus Driver working for LCC ? For those that might be wondering or asking, I never have or will never receive any Seniority for driving Crew Bus. Solidarity.

 

[freedom]

Wait so the AMFA represents flight attendants and they made the assertion that they are somehow a skilled craft By comparing themselves against other unskilled crafts?

No disrespect to FA's but that is not the same as being a pilot or mechanic

 

[psa8979]

To ALL LCC/IAM Brothers and Sisters reading and posting on this April 2013 F/S Discussions forum THEIR views,opinions,and propaganda. I, as others on Forum have all-ready recommended. Strongly ! suggest you read AFLCIO President Trumka's letter to the IAMAW and TWU Leadership@Membership. OUR Enemy should not be US in this final chapter of Deregulation and Mergers of the Airline Transport Industry. Solidarity and Mutual Cooperation will be in OUR best interest against AMR Group.

 

[ograc]

To ALL LCC/IAM Brothers and Sisters reading and posting on this April 2013 F/S Discussions forum THEIR views,opinions,and propaganda. I, as others on Forum have all-ready recommended. Strongly ! suggest you read AFLCIO President Trumka's letter to the IAMAW and TWU Leadership@Membership. OUR Enemy should not be US in this final chapter of Deregulation and Mergers of the Airline Transport Industry. Solidarity and Mutual Cooperation will be in OUR best interest against AMR Group.

Based on recent developments between the IAM & TWU (the seniority integration agreement) I believe we are headed in that direction. Representation for the combined Fleet Service group shared by both unions. A Transition Agreement mutually negotiated and administered by both unions.

 

[mike33]

Wait so the AMFA represents flight attendants and they made the assertion that they are somehow a skilled craft By comparing themselves against other unskilled crafts?

No disrespect to FA's but that is not the same as being a pilot or mechanic

Tell that to the crew of the plane that landed in the Hudson. Each employee group brings a part to the table that makes "The Whole". No matter who they are.

 

[700UW]

Hate to break this to you freedom, but according to the DOL, FAs are skilled labor and that is why they have their own union and its own class and craft.

And if you did your research, AMFA never represented FAs.

But there sister union the PFAA did for a short time at NW before being ousted by the AFA. Before the PFAA they were ibt.

Flight Attendants arent on the plane to serve drinks and food, they are there for safety reasons, and the DOL does not consider an aircraft mechanic skilled labor.

 

[cltrat]

Based on recent developments between the IAM & TWU (the seniority integration agreement) I believe we are headed in that direction. Representation for the combined Fleet Service group shared by both unions. A Transition Agreement mutually negotiated and administered by both unions.

I believe my past predictions of that are becoming true ,they are going to jump into bed together

 

[Tim Nelson]

Based on recent developments between the IAM & TWU (the seniority integration agreement) I believe we are headed in that direction. Representation for the combined Fleet Service group shared by both unions. A Transition Agreement mutually negotiated and administered by both unions.

it will most likely be like the railways. Choice. Makes sense and im sure management will voluntarily recognize it to speed up the merger and not have to deal with representational disputes from amfa or ibt. Id look for a voluntary recognition within 30 days if legally possible and if the ibt doesnt file first. regards,

 

[ChockJockey]

The IBT is trashy. Ain't nobody got time for that.

 

[ograc]

it will most likely be like the railways. Choice. Makes sense and im sure management will voluntarily recognize it to speed up the merger and not have to deal with representational disputes from amfa or ibt. Id look for a voluntary recognition within 30 days if legally possible and if the ibt doesnt file first. regards,

Not sure. Has the IBT shown any interest in the Fleet Service group? I'm not aware of any push to get cards signed. Their focus seems to be on the MTC. & Related group. From what I'm hearing they are doing quite well with that campaign.

 

[necigrad]

I've heard the rumor that IBT wants in, but that doesn't mean it's true, or false. I think someone else had suggested about a week ago that the unions may just come together. I think that might be wise. Instead of having the IAM, TWU, and other AFL-CIO unions they may be better served by combining into 2-5 unions. You could have say the AFL-CIO Laborers, Transportation, Skilled Laborers, Professionals... They'd all be AFL-CIO, and they wouldn't need to fight each other. Futher you'd have vastly larger unions, a larger group to draw experienced people from, and then all the synergies of being one union. From there the Membership could decide how to organize, be it LLs in every city, one for each employer, or some hybrid or other system entirely.

 

[ograc]

I've heard the rumor that IBT wants in, but that doesn't mean it's true, or false. I think someone else had suggested about a week ago that the unions may just come together. I think that might be wise. Instead of having the IAM, TWU, and other AFL-CIO unions they may be better served by combining into 2-5 unions. You could have say the AFL-CIO Laborers, Transportation, Skilled Laborers, Professionals... They'd all be AFL-CIO, and they wouldn't need to fight each other. Futher you'd have vastly larger unions, a larger group to draw experienced people from, and then all the synergies of being one union. From there the Membership could decide how to organize, be it LLs in every city, one for each employer, or some hybrid or other system entirely.

Not sure if an agreement could be reached for shared representation if another union, such as the IBT, petitions with enough cards signed, for an election. I don't believe the IBT is a member of the AFL-CIO. More than two unions representing and administering the eventual Transition Agreement could be problematic imo.

 

[freedom]

Not sure if an agreement could be reached for shared representation if another union, such as the IBT, petitions with enough cards signed, for an election. I don't believe the IBT is a member of the AFL-CIO. More than two unions representing and administering the eventual Transition Agreement could be problematic imo.

There can be only one .......

(Highlandeer)

 

[700UW]

The IBT has nothing to do with Fleet or Maintenance at US or AA.

And once again your wrong freedom, the IBT and CWA share representation of the CSA and RES at US.