April/May 2013 IAM Fleet Discussions

[700UW]

Roabilly,

He is actually a ramper in PHX, a lead friend of mine knows of him, and she said he is actually worse in real life then on the boards.

 

[necigrad]

I learned that simply rejecting a contract isn't enough ... you talk of labor strife , well if there isn't any strife then the company doesn't care if a contract is rejected ...We didn't have ENOUGH strife last time ...You've got to get out there and agitate , agitate , agitate ... you have to push people out of their comfort zone and make them understand that a new contract is not going to be presented to you on a silver platter by a kind and caring company ..

So your solutiuon was to take a crap contract and celebrate it as the best we were going to get?

necrigrad youre not stupid

Oh, I know, but I can just feel the intelligence being sucked out of my by the vacuum that exists around his posts! It's the whole osmosis thing.

Guys,

I’ve been following this thread for years… not once has freedom posted anything of any relevance, validity, or value other than the time stamp and date attached to each post… and that comes from the administrator!

There are only two plausible scenarios with him/her/whoever…

1) The person is actually this far out of touch with reality, and suffers from Delusions of Grandeur, and/or Manic Bipolar Disorder(s).

2) The person is actually a Forum Troll attempting to consume bandwidth, and your time as you attempt to argue his/her/whoever’s foolish never ending, open-ended statements.

I find number two as the most likely case, as I can’t see someone with the number one afflictions making it independently through everyday life, as well as maintaining a career with the sensitivities of today’s background follow-ups, and contractual language allowing someone to be physiologically evaluated at virtually anytime…

So… number TWO it IS!

Sorry roabilly, but your analysis is using flawed logic. I say this because in LAS we've had some rampers that I question how their body knows how to breathe. HP (in its later years) hired bodies, not employees. Employees were a bonus for the company. Sadly, I watched some of these people become leads too.

He is actually a ramper in PHX, a lead friend of mine knows of him, and she said he is actually worse in real life then on the boards.

I've heard the same.

 

[robbedagain]

nec would advil help

 

[ChockJockey]

He is actually a ramper in PHX

This is true.

she said he is actually worse in real life then on the boards.

He's a perfectly pleasant person to work with so long as the topic of conversation doesn't slide into politics (which is true for a lot of people I suppose). The difference is on here he gets himself backed into a corner with his faulty claims and insistences that become more absurd and passionate the more they're challenged. In real life when he says wacky things it's easier just to smile and nod.

 

[ograc]

Guys,

I’ve been following this thread for years… not once has freedom posted anything of any relevance, validity, or value other than the time stamp and date attached to each post… and that comes from the administrator!

There are only two plausible scenarios with him/her/whoever…

1) The person is actually this far out of touch with reality, and suffers from Delusions of Grandeur, and/or Manic Bipolar Disorder(s).

2) The person is actually a Forum Troll attempting to consume bandwidth, and your time as you attempt to argue his/her/whoever’s foolish never ending, open-ended statements.

I find number two as the most likely case, as I can’t see someone with the number one afflictions making it independently through everyday life, as well as maintaining a career with the sensitivities of today’s background follow-ups, and contractual language allowing someone to be physiologically evaluated at virtually anytime…

So… number TWO it IS!

I too find number two as the most likely case. He does consume bandwidth as many informed and quality posters waste their time and efforts arguing and discrediting him. Sometimes... two to three pages of back and forth babbling. End result: You read through two or three pages of this before someone makes a meaningful and pertinent post. I would like to see less engagement with freedom and more engagement in meaningful discussion. Shall we proceed?

 

[robbedagain]

to cb and the negogiations team good luck tomorrw and give them hell
some of the things i love to see is better scope better language protections for all the cities we got now better sick pay benes and get something for open time in the contract so that mgmt cannot make up lines even when there are already avail lines for the open time agent to pick from and dont let mgmt choose the line for you

 

[ChockJockey]

I too find number two as the most likely case. He does consume bandwidth as many informed and quality posters waste their time and efforts arguing and discrediting him. Sometimes... two to three pages of back and forth babbling. End result: You read through two or three pages of this before someone makes a meaningful and pertinent post. I would like to see less engagement with freedom and more engagement in meaningful discussion. Shall we proceed?

What you find the most likely case is, in this case, the wrong one. He's not forcing any of you to respond to him, in fact most here have had years to place him on ignore yet not even his strongest critics have done so, even after admitting the vast majority of his expressed opinions are impotent at best. Now why is that?

 

[ograc]

to cb and the negogiations team good luck tomorrw and give them hell
some of the things i love to see is better scope better language protections for all the cities we got now better sick pay benes and get something for open time in the contract so that mgmt cannot make up lines even when there are already avail lines for the open time agent to pick from and dont let mgmt choose the line for you

robbed,
Regarding scope; As stated in a previous post, #619 I believe, to Charlie I believe the NC needs to focus first on protecting current Fleet Service work. Protecting the work results in true job protection. Unlike the job protection, as defined by the district and the UA NC in the past UA TA. Please review post 619 and tell me if you agree or disagree. It's way back there on page 53 I believe. Just posted last night but you'll have to go back that far because of the multiple posts with and from Freedum. Protection of work = job protection.

 

[ograc]

What you find the most likely case is, in this case, the wrong one. He's not forcing any of you to respond to him, in fact most here have had years to place him on ignore yet not even his strongest critics have done so, even after admitting the vast majority of his expressed opinions are impotent at best. Now why is that?

His lies are mixed with truths. Knowledge mixed with ignorance. Deceit disguised as truth. His posts intice one to engage, yet all the while, distract from meaningful discussion of pertinent issues going forward. Posts that entice the members on this forum to focus more on our divided past rather than a united future of solidarity. We are all free to choose to respond or ignore. Satan himself does not "force" his agenda on anyone. Should we focus on posts, as previously mentioned, or focus more on what lies ahead? IMO... we have hopefully learned from past mistakes. With that in mind... it's time to focus on our future, learn from past mistakes, build solidarity and get on with it. Too much senseless and unproductive babbling with freedum in my opinion.

 

[robbedagain]

i agree with you orgac

 

[ChockJockey]

His lies are mixed with truths. Knowledge mixed with ignorance. Deceit disguised as truth. His posts intice one to engage, yet all the while, distract from meaningful discussion of pertinent issues going forward.

Meaningful discussion such as what? Ancient arbitrations that are never resolved? How much Tim Nelson sucks? The IAM Thought Police have already ruled out any discussion that calls IAM leadership or the NC into question, so how much meaningful discussion remains?

Posts that entice the members on this forum to focus more on our divided past rather than a united future of solidarity. We are all free to choose to respond or ignore. Satan himself does not "force" his agenda on anyone. Should we focus on posts, as previously mentioned, or focus more on what lies ahead?

The number of replies freedom gets and how quickly he gets them seems to indicate that, for better or for worse, people want to freely engage him. You say he disrupts solidarity, but I don't know of any poster who unites the forum more, even if it is to unite everyone in the opinion of how dumb his opinions are. You may have noticed it takes very little prompting on freedom's part to get someone (usually 700) to point out how much of a backstabber he is. Seriously, how many times has 700 employed euphemisms of betrayal in response to freedom, that he threw people under the bus, stabbed them in the back, took 30 pieces of silver, etc.? Easily dozens of times. They reply to freedom because, clearly, they want to and wish to, and will do so, as they have for years, until they put him on ignore (which they won't, and neither will you, or I, for that matter).

IMO... we have hopefully learned from past mistakes. With that in mind... it's time to focus on our future, learn from past mistakes, build solidarity and get on with it. Too much senseless and unproductive babbling with freedum in my opinion.

There's a first time for everything...

 

[ograc]

Meaningful discussion such as what? Ancient arbitrations that are never resolved? How much Tim Nelson sucks? The IAM Thought Police have already ruled out any discussion that calls IAM leadership or the NC into question, so how much meaningful discussion remains?



The number of replies freedom gets and how quickly he gets them seems to indicate that, for better or for worse, people want to freely engage him. You say he disrupts solidarity, but I don't know of any poster who unites the forum more, even if it is to unite everyone in the opinion of how dumb his opinions are. You may have noticed it takes very little prompting on freedom's part to get someone (usually 700) to point out how much of a backstabber he is. Seriously, how many times has 700 employed euphemisms of betrayal in response to freedom, that he threw people under the bus, stabbed them in the back, took 30 pieces of silver, etc.? Easily dozens of times. They reply to freedom because, clearly, they want to and wish to, and will do so, as they have for years, until they put him on ignore (which they won't, and neither will you, or I, for that matter).



There's a first time for everything...

I disagree with your assesment of the discussion with freedom as uniting the members of this forum. In contrast, I believe the end result of such discussion is divisive. I believe his posts result only in back and forth character assasinations which, in the end, are divisive and unproductive. A strategy the company has historically used against us. Instead; this strategy is brought forth from one within our ranks. His posts reduce this thread to irrelevant theorizing and chatter. Three to four pages of irrelevant chatter one must sort through before arriving at a meaningful post. Do you support and defend this type of dialouge?

 

[ChockJockey]

Three to four pages of irrelevant chatter one must sort through before arriving at a meaningful post. Do you support and defend this type of dialouge?

This type of dialogue happens and likely will continue to happen regardless of your or my opinion on it. I happen to think that people are free to express unpopular opinions, as others are to reply to them. How divisive or productive you think any one poster or post is is wholly subjective. You may enjoy or have enjoyed some position of responsibility or leadership in the IAM but that doesn't make you an arbiter of who should be allowed to post and what they should be allowed to say.

 

[roabilly]

I disagree with your assesment of the discussion with freedom as uniting the members of this forum. In contrast, I believe the end result of such discussion is divisive. I believe his posts result only in back and forth character assasinations which, in the end, are divisive and unproductive. A strategy the company has historically used against us. Instead; this strategy is brought forth from one within our ranks. His posts reduce this thread to irrelevant theorizing and chatter. Three to four pages of irrelevant chatter one must sort through before arriving at a meaningful post. Do you support and defend this type of dialouge?

I hear ya Cargo!

I’ll assure you freedom… is smiling and celebrating in the background… even the discussions here regarding his discussions consume bandwidth and even more unproductive chatter… and he hasn’t even posted! (At least not as freedom anyway)

So goes the inherit risk of reading disinformation in online forums. The internet opened many lines of communication, but along with that, you get lots of garbage posted under pseudonyms with absolutely no way to verify if the poster is legit or not.

My suggestion is this... habitual troll behavior should place the offending poster in a mutually ignored status by the rest of us! Of course… that would no FUN! I think most folks come in here to blow off steam… and play charades. Finally, there are some that like to “toy” with everyone else in a mind game… they know they/he are!

GOOD LUCK “CB” CLT has your back!

 

[necigrad]

in fact most here have had years to place him on ignore yet not even his strongest critics have done so, even after admitting the vast majority of his expressed opinions are impotent at best. Now why is that?

Why? Because if I put him on ignore I'd be completly confused when people replied to him because I didn't have the contect right. The REPLIS are what I'm intersted in. That and trying to moderate the excrement as well as a user can.