April/May 2013 IAM Fleet Discussions

[freedom]

By whom were you tasked? That was (if accurate) spectacularly poor judgement. Just how much credit do you give yourself for the TA passing?



That much is apparent. I feel like you're two posts away from informing us Ron died for our sins.

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how much credit ? who can say , maybe I turned 20 votes , maybe 70 , you never know ..

Look , chock , the posts on here lately have turned to what sounds like frustration with the negotiations ...

I'm just trying to do my part and remind our union of how effective Ron was , he still works for us , he could help them ... Pushing for his last minute inclusion is the absolute best I can do for our union ...This new contract is important to all of us , we need to all do our part .

 

[freedom]

Freedum youre soo dilusional its pathetically sad. ron judgin by your posts got his arse walked n stomped all over by al the loser hemmingway there is no way u were called out to do any union related things i dont see how the outlying cities would have voted themselves of jobs that was bec phx took care of it... still waiting for u to answer 700 questions bet u cant bec ur such an ignorant clown who only cares for himself​

you do remember how many field stations there were do you not ? Class two and west stations ... then there's PHL and CLT ... at the time we had LAS as a hub and also PHX ... so you mean to tell me that those TWO hubs defeated the entire rest of the network ?

no , MANY west stations voted to pass this contract , we could not have done it without them ...i'm sorry I don't have all the official data on hand for everything like 700 does , I have to go off of the ole memory , but if my memory serves me right , they voted overhwelimghly for the contract .

 

[700UW]

Roth was just a token rep, he wasn't a one man wrecking machine against the company. Were you in negotiations?

Nope, and your cba is less than stellar,I wouldn't be proud of anyone who negotiated it.

 

[freedom]

Roth was just a token rep, he wasn't a one man wrecking machine against the company. Were you in negotiations?

Nope, and your cba is less than stellar,I wouldn't be proud of anyone who negotiated it.

yes , I would say he started out as a token rep ... but In the end I feel he accomplished so much more ...Sure the CBA isn't great , I think most people understood that we were never going to be happy with all of it ... we were not happy with our former TWU contract , and many of the east guys were not happy with their BK contract ... there was a lot of talk about not voting in the first contract because the second one would be better , but I think after the Change in control litigation failed more people became pragmatic ... After the second contract came back to us , it really wasn't much different than the first ...

People had a stark choice to make , continue for who knows how many more years under two separate really lousy contracts , or pare back their dreams a bit and accept a contract that while not perfect , could be lived with ..

The process of getting to that second contract took YEARS ... I don't think our rampers wanted to spend even MORE years waiting and fighting it out ..There's absolutely no guarantee that we would have even gotten a better contract than what we did at that time ... I mean the nay Sayers who kept saying we can do better DID have their chance with the rejection of the first TA ... they were proven wrong , no point in giving them years of our lives to be proven wrong over and over again ..

At least with the contract we have today , we are a UNIFIED force ... I can't even imagine what it would be like if we were going into this AA merger as three separate entities , West (AWA), class two ( field stations ) and Class one stations (East coast hubs right ? ) .



and no , he IS a one man wrecking machine ....

What the company fears now more than ever is a Union rep who can unbalance the status quo ... Really shake up the work force , get them angry , get them MOVING ...

 

[robbedagain]

YOU may recall that phl dca n clt were majority NO VOTES las phx were majority yes votes not sure about the other stations..
its a fact that had this 08 contract been shot down the company would have been forced to come up with a better deal
on the other hand you keep mentionin ron who has done NOTHING..... for an outfit like us with the clowns running the airline they have a lot of balls to STRIKE A DEAL BEHIND OUR BACKS WITH ANTHR AIRLINE AND THAT AIRLINE'S UNIONS SURE AS HE!! SPEAKS VOLUME ABOUT HOW THEY DONT CARE TO SETTLE OUR CONTRACTS... ron may be a one man wrecking machine his own.. no one else. i sure as heck would not say we have a unified work force.... divided more likely unlike you most of us have yrs of experience

 

[freedom]

YOU may recall that phl dca n clt were majority NO VOTES las phx were majority yes votes not sure about the other stations..
its a fact that had this 08 contract been shot down the company would have been forced to come up with a better deal
on the other hand you keep mentionin ron who has done NOTHING..... for an outfit like us with the clowns running the airline they have a lot of balls to STRIKE A DEAL BEHIND OUR BACKS WITH ANTHR AIRLINE AND THAT AIRLINE'S UNIONS SURE AS HE!! SPEAKS VOLUME ABOUT HOW THEY DONT CARE TO SETTLE OUR CONTRACTS... ron may be a one man wrecking machine his own.. no one else. i sure as heck would not say we have a unified work force.... divided more likely unlike you most of us have yrs of experience

Why would they have come back with a better contract ?

That's what others said after the first TA , remember ... "don't vote for it , they will have to come back with a better offer "

they came back with basically the same offer the second time , they just rearranged something's , but it didn't cost the company a penny more ..

Why would you have wanted to pursues such a strategy three times ?

 

[700UW]

Dude you got a serious man crush.

Ron is not what you claim to be, you werent in the room, I have talked to other NC members who were there, quite a different story they tell.

The second TA didnt take years, HP and US mergered in 2005, you voted one TA down and reached an agreement and ratified in 2008.

You ran for the money while your stabbed your coworkers in the back.

If Ron Roth was the man, he would be in negotiations or in an IAM position, it says a lot that he is running bags and not in negotiations.

 

[700UW]

They would have to come with a better offer, they wanted labor peace, the investors wanted labor peace.

Once again you have no clue about the process and how it works.

In 99 we mechanic and related voted down the first tentative agreement and when we reached the second one in the 30 day cooling off period it was much better.

One of my mentors was Chick Kavros, he organized the IAM at US in 1949 and took part in all the M&R negotiations up until the 1999 agreement, I would take is knowledge and skill level over yours and Ron "your man crush" Roth.

And Chick was so good we brought him out of retirement to handle the Section 1114 retirees in the last chapter 11 case.

 

[freedom]

They would have to come with a better offer, they wanted labor peace, the investors wanted labor peace.

Once again you have no clue about the process and how it works.

In 99 we mechanic and related voted down the first tentative agreement and when we reached the second one in the 30 day cooling off period it was much better.

One of my mentors was Chick Kavros, he organized the IAM at US in 1949 and took part in all the M&R negotiations up until the 1999 agreement, I would take is knowledge and skill level over yours and Ron "your man crush" Roth.

And Chick was so good we brought him out of retirement to handle the Section 1114 retirees in the last chapter 11 case.

well perhaps you haven't noticed but this isn't 1999 ... when these contract talks were going down the US economy was in the worst recession since the great Depression ... unemployment was skyrocketing higher by the day ....

Man crush ? really ?

I told you he was effective... weren't you and the rest just complaining about how he organized the ON-SITE voting and how "that wasn't fair !"

you talked to people on the NC committee ? so what did they tell you ? come on share the story with us !


our membership should have nothing less than the best sitting at the table right now .... These talks will affect every single one of us , it is imperative that we have a favorable resolution ...

You can keep screaming about how I "stabbed my co-workers in the back " but the election results would seem to indicate that they actually stabbed themselves in the back ... it was what 63% in favor ? and while PHL and CLT had large no percentages , the turn out was a lot lower than the first vote ...

if I recall correctly I think ALL of the AWA field stations voted for the contract , but your good with this kind of information 700 , why don't you dig out the vote list so you can support what i'm saying .... I doubt you'll do that , but I just thought you know , maybe you might .

 

[700UW]

You claim he was effective, you werent in the room, you are going off of what facts and details?

Your CBA sucks, you only voted for it cause you wanted a raise of your HP/TWU wages.

It says it all about his talents that he is driving a tug, transferring bags and not a union rep nor on the negotiating committee, now doesnt it?

 

[freedom]

You claim he was effective, you werent in the room, you are going off of what facts and details?

Your CBA sucks, you only voted for it cause you wanted a raise of your HP/TWU wages.

It says it all about his talents that he is driving a tug, transferring bags and not a union rep nor on the negotiating committee, now doesnt it?

to be honest I don't know what it says .....

but as a good union member who wants to see the outcome of these talks be successful , the very best idea that I can contribute is to bring Ron in .......

you might not like Ron , you might not like me ....

but under his leadership we got a new contract .

 

[700UW]

Are you that stupid?

He wasnt a leader on the committee, he didnt lead negotiations, there were a few others like AGCs and such on the NC, it wasnt the Ron Roth show.

By the way you didnt get a new CBA, you got transitioned onto the East CBA with a few changes, like voting your union brothers and sisters out of a job at the out stations.

Why are you misrepresenting the facts?

What position did he hold?

Here is your PHX rep, funny I was just on the DL 141 web page and nothing about your grand pooba, Ron Roth.

http://www.iam141.org/about/us.html
Pat Rezler

Assistant General Chairperson (AGC)

US Airways Station Assignment:
PHX

 

[freedom]

Are you that stupid?

He wasnt a leader on the committee, he didnt lead negotiations, there were a few others like AGCs and such on the NC, it wasnt the Ron Roth show.

Why are you misrepresenting the facts?

Before we continue , why don't you share with us what you heard about RR from the NC ?

 

[P. REZ]

Here are some facts regarding our 2nd TA.

1. It was worse than the 1st TA. Scope was changed from insourcing work from 49 to 98 flights. We lost our snap backs of shift differential, more holidays, etc.

2. The economy took a dump about 3 months after we voted in the 2nd TA.

 

[700UW]

http://www.local1781...l Grievance.htm

S.R. (Randy) Canale
President & Directing General Chairman​

Rich Johnsen Dan Zuger Tom Regan

Jeff Rusk
Mary Reed Tony Armideo Dave Lolly

Ron Roth
Bill Chandlee John Mendenhall Pat Flynn

Mark Wingard Steve Miller Jeff Hayden

So these were all the members on the US Negotiating Committee, so everyone did nothing and Ron was the leader and got you your CBA?