April/May 2013 IAM Fleet Discussions

[IAM Informer]

Great post obviously spoken from a veteran of M&A. As far as the elected leaders responsibilities truer words couldn't be spoken

 

[robbedagain]

very true an excellent post

 

[IAM Informer]

My guess is this-- They were fully aware that your active drive in the 08 elections had a tremendous influence, and cemented many newly awarded positions. Just a reminder… the Membership was ripe for this due to the crappy T/A, and years of BK abuse. We could have run a rhesus monkey against Canale and took the District!

I’m also guessing-- that they gave you chance in return for your efforts, by awarding you a position in the District. What happened after that…I have NO clue… but, obviously you either left the position, or was asked to leave the position for a reason?!

I’m also am guessing there is now bad blood somewhere in mix, as you now have an even deeper disdain than ever for the Leadership of the 141!

Winner winner. Roa you are absolutely right about the monkey thats exactly what we got great prediction maybe you should play the lottery as far as the UA deal I believe you toted back on grammically challenged days that by having UA up to bat first US would have a preview of just how good "the boys " were going to be sorry it didn't quite workout that way for you. I also rember you busting 700 for sticking his nose gear into fleet business now you sucking on his tailpipe times sure have changed

 

[P. REZ]

Prez, When I was on the union dime, I produced. Sorry, no talk here. As far as negotiations, the eboard has failed at Hawaiian and United, mostly because they caved in at the end of negotiations because of failed strategies that not only gave up leverage but also didn 't use the remaining leverage they had. It remains to be seen regarding the US AIRWAYS negotiations team, but I wouldn't know why there would be anything at all negotiated that would come out of it bad. There ought not to be any concessions and all gain. Maybe the gain won't be exhaustive or as much as some had hoped but there would be no reason in the world to come out with any concession on any benefit that is currently enjoyed. You guys have a lot of leverage to work with to attain fairness. In this situation, nothing exhaustive, but certainly something that can be fair leading into the second round of negotiations. Wage bump, increased scope [please, no ass hat security clauses that Delaney did at United]. At any rate, I've never just talked, Pat. Always produced. I'm 24/7. And for a negotiation team that sells the membership out short, I'm Mayhem. I don't like being Mayhem but if my peeps are sold out, I will open up a can of Mayhem like I did at United to help protect and educate our members over there from blowing up this whole industry ramp craft. But, as of now, let's not get ahead of ourselves. Transition talks will come but what about organizing? Who put this ass hat organizing plan together without even talking to those who have the skillset and proven record? Talk is cheap Pat. You have my number. Based on what I have seen, the IAM is going to get its ass kicked in its attempt to get the necessary cards. regards,

Tim,

I don't have your number and don't take offense but I would not be interested in talking to you because everything is about politics with you. I asked if you could leave the politics alone and do your part in helping the membership but you can't. Your political future would be better served if you would do the right thing and not make promises you can't keep. I don't trust you Tim because you are a win at all costs kind of guy and you will make deals with the devil to get what you want. What happened to the fishing you were going to catch up on? I really hope that you sit back and evaluate how to help as opposed to what you are doing now. You are not happy unless you are stirring the pot, are you?

P. Rez

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,

I don't have your number and don't take offense but I would not be interested in talking to you because everything is about politics with you. I asked if you could leave the politics alone and do your part in helping the membership but you can't. Your political future would be better served if you would do the right thing and not make promises you can't keep. I don't trust you Tim because you are a win at all costs kind of guy and you will make deals with the devil to get what you want. What happened to the fishing you were going to catch up on? I really hope that you sit back and evaluate how to help as opposed to what you are doing now. You are not happy unless you are stirring the pot, are you?

P. Rez

nah, not sure where you read politics into anything. Why do you presume i havent been fishing? Ive even caught a few. I stay happy and im drunk on life but im also free to be fearless of the oppression that corporate greed and some union bosses want to stir. So as long as there is some ignorant union boss trying to oppress workers from the bed of management like delaney attempted at united, i will be there with the sword of justice against him.My hope moving forward Prez is that you and the others are not only bright enough not to give anything up but also bright enough to realize that the members are both smart and willing. Its the leadership that is charged with figuring out how to engage the members. Its damn easy ifone tries. Regards,

 

[ograc]

I think when there is an agreement we will all know who the negotiators are. Until then i dont think it really matters at this point. I just would like them to continue the fight and bring us back something to vote on. In the end we will all know im sure. Leave them to their task because names at this point only lead to possible friction for them.

I think Tim already knows, maybe he can share it with you by PM.......

Mike,
Not sure what you're insinuating with your post Brother. Only asking because I did not know. I disagree it doesn't really matter at this point. I want to know who the players are, at the NC table, representing my interests prior to an agreement. I believe this is not an unreasonable request or expectation. I believe most of the membership would share this belief. Would any of us hire legal representation without knowing the profiles and qualifications of those representing? I fully intend to leave them to their task of continuing the fight. Additionally, the NC has my complete support in accomplishing their task. You seem to be a bit apprehensive of disclosure. Charlie, on the other hand, has seen the wisdom of complete disclosure and transparency of a reasonable request. Not sure what your reasoning is... in not disclosing this information until an agreement is reached. It was a simple request for information nothing more. Not every post is politically motivated Brother.

 

[IAM Informer]

Tim,

I don't have your number and don't take offense but I would not be interested in talking to you because everything is about politics with you. I asked if you could leave the politics alone and do your part in helping the membership but you can't. Your political future would be better served if you would do the right thing and not make promises you can't keep. I don't trust you Tim because you are a win at all costs kind of guy and you will make deals with the devil to get what you want. What happened to the fishing you were going to catch up on? I really hope that you sit back and evaluate how to help as opposed to what you are doing now. You are not happy unless you are stirring the pot, are you?

P. Rez

Pat thats the pot calling the kettle black If memory serves you were all over signing over the TWU membetship to the IAM but kick backs will do that to people. "Tim everything is politics" is that the delaney directive of the week that all you guys seem to want to talk about. How about you give the membership something to hang there hat on "what has delaney done for the membership in a positive way in the last 5 years". Your an AGC you surely got something for them

 

[P. REZ]

Pat thats the pot calling the kettle black If memory serves you were all over signing over the TWU membetship to the IAM but kick backs will do that to people. "Tim everything is politics" is that the delaney directive of the week that all you guys seem to want to talk about. How about you give the membership something to hang there hat on "what has delaney done for the membership in a positive way in the last 5 years". Your an AGC you surely got something for them

Kindly look at the LM 2 report and you will see that Jim Little sold us out for $500,000. Who is this? Tim?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Kindly look at the LM 2 report and you will see that Jim Little sold us out for $500,000. Who is this? Tim?

hey pat, im over here.
Hey, Great report came out today how american and parker expect to make $3 billion in net profits next year then $4 billion in following years! Im confident our negotiations team should be able to get big fat increases for our members! Then after the negotiations team produces, all the twumembers will b thrilled to sign an iamcard! regards,

 

[P. REZ]

hey pat, im over here.
Hey, Great report came out today how american and parker expect to make $3 billion in net profits next year then $4 billion in following years! Im confident our negotiations team should be able to get big fat increases for our members! Then after the negotiations team produces, all the twumembers will b thrilled to sign an iamcard! regards,

Tim,

I saw that article and the one where Doug is getting a 44% raise because of last years results and the fact that he is CEO of the largest airline now. If you read the whole article you also noticed that the profit projections were based on the cuts at AA which for fleet puts their contract under ours overall in cost per employee. I wish it was that simple Tim, that is why I wish everyone at some point in time could be a part of the negotiation process so they could fully understand what a committee goes through. Until someone has been through this process, it is hard to understand how and why contracts come out the way they do. To learn more Tim, maybe you should reach out to 700 since he is not politically active at US anymore and see if he will explain the process to you. He seems to be knowlegable on the subject. There is more to it then it seems.

Here's to knowledge.

P. Rez

 

[mike33]

From 2013-2017. 48 billion profit. Unbelievable !

http://blogs.star-telegram.com/sky_talk/2013/04/american-predicts-profits-through-2017-with-us-airways-merger.html

 

[700UW]

Those numbers are projections, a crash, or a war, or some other world crisis could turn that into a loss.

 

[mike33]

I say unbelievable because AH needs to neg and less excuses.

 

[700UW]

Al Hemenway doesnt know how to negotiate, he only wants concessions and whats good for the company and screw the employees, trust me I have first hand experience dealing with him in negotiations.

 

[Jester]

Well well well , welcome to our world. You are absolutely correct. I was furloughed and got hired by HP and we worked US flights. That was Helping-Hands at $7.50 an hr. And then the TA........don't feel bad now because you didn't feel bad then! It's more along the lines though of both having employees at the location and working each others flts. Kind of like delta did with NW stations

Wow... you are certainly confusing! Let's review... you were probably furloughed by the pre-merger US Management, and yet you are blaming me for my vote on the TA after corporate merger, but before I could even vote? If this was not the case, then you could not have been hired by HP, after the merge of the two work groups which happen when the TA was ratified, as you would have been a US employee! And aren't you from SAN? Last I checked, that station is still using US FSAs, so blame LF who took your job instead as I never had a SIDA badge in SAN or anywhere else in CA! Furthermore, while NW and DL had their two different FSA work groups in the same station, thus handling each others flights, but there is no comparison with PHX as there are not any AA FSAs at this station anymore, so US FSAs aren't "helping hands" as there is no one to help... we will be doing everything on the fleet service side!