April/May 2013 IAM Fleet Discussions

[Tim Nelson]

Honesty and a sincere desire to serve is all most members expect from their leadership. The two traits trump everything.

I disagree. I think most of the negotiation team members at United were honest and had a sincere desire to serve. Yet, they didn't advocate the wishes of the members as they should have. Honesty and a desire to serve are foundational and prerequisite traits to all positions of leadership, from shop steward to President of the District, but I believe most of the membership, most definitely, want and need a whole lot more than those 'heartfelt traits' from someone who is their head coach or on the coaching staff. Nobody wants to keep getting their ass kicked by greedy management because all they have is an honest and sincere person who represents them but doesn't have any fight or strategy or game plan to score points. You can get honesty and a sincere desire from a shop steward but when you pay a collective bargaining agent $700 a year, we all expect a lot more. regards,

 

[mike33]

next week on Downton abbey Ramp .....

Does freedom finally Decide between a future with the IAM or the TWU ....

Will 700 Finally leave facts behind for once and speak from the heart ?

Is Tim really every other poster on the message board ?

Stay tuned!!

MB...you need to get some help

 

[Tim Nelson]

Roa,
Haha, I'm not going to fix that your right!! Hell I don't even know what that means to fix it even if I could. I'll leave that to you. But thanks for a new word that I have to look up now!!

I see. regards,

 

[IAM Informer]

We've already been through ALL of this 3 or 4 threads ago! Remember what I said about falling for the BS once... but not TWICE!

P.S. Was this an ambiguous way to demonstrate what ‘you’ have done to promote solidarity? Remember we were ALL pretty PO’d about the T/A, and the way Canale and Co presented it… A Labrador Retriever could have run against the 141 president in 08 and won… with… or without Nelson (wink-wink) to rally the troops!

Lets see I wasn't the one running for re election and asking the membership for there vote so what I haven't done is not relevant now is it . I am glad to see that we agree on one thing but Im confused if your not going to buy into the BS twice why the die hard stand to continue to push the 141r and what happened to the fancy logo. Tell you what Roa since you have come leaps and bounds in your grammar I will lower the bar for you after all your here to EDUCATE the members. What campaign promise had the "boys" kept now that should be a layup for ya come on roa educate.


The only one that has political agenda is you you. Can't seem to make a post with out including it.

 

[roabilly]

It was the whole free IAM Informer tee-shirt thing wasn’t it? Wheww… where’s your sense of humor dude?

P.S. You used to love my cartoons!

Lets see I wasn't the one running for re election and asking the membership for there vote so what I haven't done is not relevant now is it . I am glad to see that we agree on one thing but Im confused if your not going to buy into the BS twice why the die hard stand to continue to push the 141r and what happened to the fancy logo. Tell you what Roa since you have come leaps and bounds in your grammar I will lower the bar for you after all your here to EDUCATE the members. What campaign promise had the "boys" kept now that should be a layup for ya come on roa educate.


The only one that has political agenda is you you. Can't seem to make a post with out including it.

It was the whole "Free IAM Informer Tee-Shirt" thing wasn’t it? Wheww… where’s your sense of humor dude?

P.S. You used to love my cartoons!

 

[Tim Nelson]

On common ground. While I can't say for sure, I think that I am in the majority of IAM141 members in that we would prefer the IAM over what we know of the TWU. With that said, as a professional I am growing concerned that IAM141 is not allocating the same funds on an organizing drive as I fought for and got for the United airline members when I was Director of Organizing. I haven't seen any evidence of any organizing nor have I heard of any meetings where committees are built to go out and organize. AGC's aren't organizers so I never used them as they are better off focusing on grievances. Organizing committees must be formed where those that sit on the committee are focused solely on the organizing task. The single carrier filing may happen in late 2013 but that is unlikely. Whatever the case, building should have already started and the necessary funds should have already been allocated but I don't wish for the IAM to drop the ball on this organizing drive as it has great potential. At least in ORD, many TWU members really could care less about the TWU. Building bridges with those who have the know how [many which helped me in winning organizing drives] is a necessary requirement in forcing an election. Having a bunch of AGC"s with little to no skillset in organizing and a S/T who may not fight for the necessary funds is a recipe for disaster. Getting Roabily up to ORD, prior to his retirement, would even be useful since he is a very bright guy and has had previous usefulness on other campaigns I asked him to be on. regards,

 

[Tim Nelson]

It was the whole free IAM Informer tee-shirt thing wasn’t it? Wheww… where’s your sense of humor dude?

P.S. You used to love my cartoons!

It was the whole "Free IAM Informer Tee-Shirt" thing wasn’t it? Wheww… where’s your sense of humor dude?

P.S. You used to love my cartoons!

Roabilly, your cartoons are still loved. You definitely have a skill. BTW, I know who IAM informer is. IAM informer is someone you like, btw. I'm not going to rat him out but you know him and still talk to him a lot. You work with him and that's all I will say. I'd love for you to use your "toon's" again. At some very very soon point, there has gotta be an organizing committee formed in most key stations. Especially ORD, MIA, DFW, JFK. I'd hope your toons can be put to use on organizing flyers. regards,

 

[ograc]

I disagree. I think most of the negotiation team members at United were honest and had a sincere desire to serve. Yet, they didn't advocate the wishes of the members as they should have. Honesty and a desire to serve are foundational and prerequisite traits to all positions of leadership, from shop steward to President of the District, but I believe most of the membership, most definitely, want and need a whole lot more than those 'heartfelt traits' from someone who is their head coach or on the coaching staff. Nobody wants to keep getting their ass kicked by greedy management because all they have is an honest and sincere person who represents them but doesn't have any fight or strategy or game plan to score points. You can get honesty and a sincere desire from a shop steward but when you pay a collective bargaining agent $700 a year, we all expect a lot more. regards,

If one has a sincere desire to serve they should already have the ability to fight. They would know the importance of good strategy and a sound game plan. If they posess none of these... then they do not posees a snicere desire to serve. They merely hold a well compensated position. In it for the money... so to speak.

 

[mike33]

I believe one good way to educate the present membership on the (+) and (-) of the 2 contracts on both ( US & AA) is to create a visual of the two. The membership needs to see it in print much like ROA did with the RLA negotiations chart. There are more followers than doers and they need to be lead visually. Guys like freedom, while thinking from the heart, only perpetuates the corporate greed in Employers. I wouldn't want any part of that AA fleet contract. It's awful and I'm just trying to figure out how to show that visually.

Hopefully soon

 

[freedom]

I believe one good way to educate the present membership on the (+) and (-) of the 2 contracts on both ( US & AA) is to create a visual of the two. The membership needs to see it in print much like ROA did with the RLA negotiations chart. There are more followers than doers and they need to be lead visually. Guys like freedom, while thinking from the heart, only perpetuates the corporate greed in Employers. I wouldn't want any part of that AA fleet contract. It's awful and I'm just trying to figure out how to show that visually.

Hopefully soon

you know , there's many things i'd like to say mike ... I do have a lot of opinions ...I honestly believe that my ideas taken to their full extent could be VERY damaging to our company (within legal frame work's I might add ) ... but i'm nervous to express my full range of thought ... There's such a thing as blowing your own foot off ...(by this I mean that I honestly don't want to cause any damage to our newly combined company ... )

That is why for the time being , i'm placing my faith in our union negotiators , I feel at the end of the day , with their talks with the company , the back and forth that proceed in any talks , they will come to a conclusion that suits the vast majority of our work force and preserves jobs ..

but should they fail ... I AM prepared to do what I do best ... inflame people , to enrage them, to make our work force breath fire ...I have never failed to answer the call of my union when it's been required of me ...I will fight with everything I have , and I will win ..

 

[700UW]

I think I need to call PHX and get you sent for a drug test.

You post crap that isnt true and you havent even recoginized that you screwed your coworkers by voting for a raise while they got laid off.

And then you make excuses for what you did and you cant even admit you are wrong.

A good friend of mine is a lead on the ramp and PHX and said you are even worse in real life than you are on the boards.

You failed when you voted to line your wallet and layoff your coworkers.

 

[freedom]

I think I need to call PHX and get you sent for a drug test.

You post crap that isnt true and you havent even recoginized that you screwed your coworkers by voting for a raise while they got laid off.

And then you make excuses for what you did and you cant even admit you are wrong.

A good friend of mine is a lead on the ramp and PHX and said you are even worse in real life than you are on the boards.

You failed when you voted to line your wallet and layoff your coworkers.

900-13 votes in PHX says I made the right call ..........

should I have turned my back on my own people here in PHX ?

I will NEVER turn on or betray my own people here , they are like my family , and I am NOT ashamed with what I have done ....

I did what I needed to do ... and yes it was in my self interest ... but as I have stated , further job losses are unacceptable and I will NOT support any contract that incurs them .

you can dwell forever in the past if you like , but I urge you to remember not only my sins , but the sins of the entire east ... you seem to forget what they did to their own ...

but perhaps you dislike me because i'm a threat , not only to the IAM but to the IAM pension which you rely on ...

If the IAM can get us a decent contract and incur no higher costs for us to the IAMPNF then I am fine with them ... if they can't do that , well then all of you know how I feel ...

I do my work for our union for free , many of you cannot say the same .

 

[ograc]

Wondering out loud... with the recent overwhelming rejection of the DL 141 TA at UA what has the District Leadership and the UA NC taken away from the outcome of the ratification vote? The way I see it they will view it one of two ways. 1.) A humbling wake-up call to change their course and emphasis in negotiations to be more in line with what the membership is truly seeking and less in line with what's best for the District and the IAM. Or 2.) The ratification rejection was the result of not enough time to fully explain their TA, problems with the mail in ballot process, members not reading the entire agreement, membership apathy, CO employees being formally unrepresented, deflect blame, etc... Time will tell what their take and subsequent actions will be. IMO... their take will have a profound impact on our negotiations at US Fleet and quite possibly the future of the IAM on US Fleet property. Remember... with a potential representation election in the future the TWU and other unions are like wolves at the door. Anyone have any indication which way their leaning?

 

[ChockJockey]

900-13 votes in PHX says I made the right call ..........

should I have turned my back on my own people here in PHX ?

I will NEVER turn on or betray my own people here , they are like my family , and I am NOT ashamed with what I have done ....

I did what I needed to do ... and yes it was in my self interest ... but as I have stated , further job losses are unacceptable and I will NOT support any contract that incurs them .

you can dwell forever in the past if you like , but I urge you to remember not only my sins , but the sins of the entire east ... you seem to forget what they did to their own ...

but perhaps you dislike me because i'm a threat , not only to the IAM but to the IAM pension which you rely on ...

If the IAM can get us a decent contract and incur no higher costs for us to the IAMPNF then I am fine with them ... if they can't do that , well then all of you know how I feel ...

I do my work for our union for free , many of you cannot say the same .

Who nailed you to a cross?

 

[700UW]

Just because you low paid, former TWU CBA represented PHX rampers voted for money doesnt mean you are right.

It just means you were all out for yourselves and screwed your coworkers.

You betrayed every single US Airways employee who was laid off or had to move to keep their jobs.

You are in serious case of denial.

You are no threat to me nor to the IAMNPF.

Do you really believe the meirda you post?