April/May 2013 IAM Fleet Discussions

[roabilly]

Actually Roabily did cartoon work when I asked him to help out in the AirTran campaign in early 2011. It wasn't that he soon discovered there was a law called the RLA but rather his political allegiances stayed with the 141 rising crowd so he had to blame the RLA and claim that our membership is apathetic. The membership isn't apathetic, I have rounded it up at least a half dozen times successfully at US AIRWAYS/United and built undeniable solidarity on each occasion whether I was getting paid [AirTran campaigns, United ramp campaign] or not. What Roabily can't deny is that his political group destroyed the ramp craft at Hawaiian airlines and tried 'fleet service cleansing' at United. Thankfully, the solidarity and activism built up with only $12 stacked up nicely against the $1 million campaign that Roabilly's boys spent of your money to try to blow up most of the scope at United and usher in unlimited part time to raise revenues for the IAM. Hey informer, has Roabily mentioned two things that 141 rising has done yet? You've been asking him for 10 pages now and all he does is see me behind any handle that argues with him. regards,

Hey Nelson... pssst... I' was aware of the RLA in the 70's... remember I worked as an organizer?! Further, I’m glad you can fully explain roabilly to everyone… I’m sure they are completely incapable of deriving any kind of conclusive insight concerning me on their own!

 

[roabilly]

next week on Downton abbey Ramp .....

Does freedom finally Decide between a future with the IAM or the TWU ....

Will 700 Finally leave facts behind for once and speak from the heart ?

Is Tim really every other poster on the message board ?

Stay tuned!!

You enjoy this stuff... don't you?

 

[freedom]

Hey Nelson... pssst... I' was aware of the RLA in the 70's... remember I worked as an organizer?! Further, I’m glad you can fully explain roabilly to everyone… I’m sure they are completely incapable of deriving any kind of conclusive insight concerning me on their own!

uh huh ... I think your really just Tim Nelson , and that what your doing right now is a ruse within a ruse ...

well you don't fool me .

 

[freedom]

You enjoy this stuff... don't you?

yeah , strangely I do ... Look at the bright side , any conflicts we might have amongst each other at least serves to keep this message board interesting and alive ..i'm glad we're not like other airlines where the employee groups are beyond silent , they are non existent .

 

[Tim Nelson]

Actually UA and the IBT were in negotiations, not for CO, UA mechanics rejected a tentative and reached an agreement five months later that was ratified by the rank and file, which led to negotiations for a joint agreement,




And I cant find anywhere on the web if a joint CBA has been agreed too.

Um, because they haven't signed a joint CBA yet. regards,

 

[charlie Brown]

Delaney spends enough time with NC he gets them thinking his way with his dopey 'theories' as him and management prey on a negotiation team that simply needs more education on figuring out leverage. That said, the environment would suggest that a contract will happen prior to an integration. I know Delaney decided to blow up negotiations at United and just walk into transition talks without gaining anything like the IBT or AFA did, but he did so after a representational vote when the 'coast was clear'. For the IAM to have any chance it will have to get an equitable deal. Not saying the situation dictates a completely exhaustive rewritten contract but gaining scope and wage gains is a must. I think there may even be some usefulness in waiting to see what IAM142 gets first. regards,

Tim
Look, it is apparent by all your post that you are not a Delaney fan. But tell me why you have to say things about the whole NC like you know us. I remember a year or so ago, last time you and I talked on the phone, you guaranteed me that Delaney would take us straight into integrated talks as soon as the merger was announced. I told you no that wouldn't happen, then you said it would. And me and anyone else that fought it would be thrown off the committee. Do you remember that conversation?? So the least you could do on this forum, is quit posting things as if you have the committee all figured out. Because time has proven that you do not know us as well as you want to make everyone think you do.

 

[roabilly]

I think we all owe Charlie Brown, Mike33, Ograc (Cargo), necigrad, Harry Callahan, cltrat, robbedagain, 700U… and yeahhh… maybe even my ol’ buddy ChockJockey… for actually providing content intellectually valuable enough to take the time to read!

The majority of the rest has a certain valuable nitrogen/phosphate content, that I wish I could extract, and place on my yard prior to seeding! If I could bag that stuff… I could put Scotts out of business!

 

[roabilly]

Tim
Look, it is apparent by all your post that you are not a Delaney fan. But tell me why you have to say things about the whole NC like you know us. I remember a year or so ago, last time you and I talked on the phone, you guaranteed me that Delaney would take us straight into integrated talks as soon as the merger was announced. I told you no that wouldn't happen, then you said it would. And me and anyone else that fought it would be thrown off the committee. Do you remember that conversation?? So the least you could do on this forum, is quit posting things as if you have the committee all figured out. Because time has proven that you do not know us as well as you want to make everyone think you do.

Charlie... you can't FIX megalomania!

P.S. Tim is a TIM Fan!

 

[charlie Brown]

Charlie... you can't FIX megalomania!

Roa,
Haha, I'm not going to fix that your right!! Hell I don't even know what that means to fix it even if I could. I'll leave that to you. But thanks for a new word that I have to look up now!!

 

[roabilly]

Don't worry about looking up that word Charlie... you won't need it! -- Honesty, and a sincere desire to serve, will trump it every single time!

 

[necigrad]

the IAM came in and booted out our former union the TWU

Ummm... No. The TWU was bought off. The IAM didn't boot them, the IAM waved money in their face and they took it. Doesn't speak well for either union actually. Oddly, after the TWU botted ME they still send me their magazine...

As for me , i'm moving on from the past

Of course you are. Too many skeletons there.

I think we all owe Charlie Brown, Mike33, Ograc (Cargo), necigrad, Harry Callahan, cltrat, 700U… and yeahhh… maybe even my ol’ buddy ChockJockey… for actually providing content intellectually valuable enough to take time to read!

Huh. Appreciate it, I really do, but I'm not that cool. Yes I try to read and think critically, but my posts are not at the level of some. I've also stopped reading most of some users posts, so I'm reading less and less on this board. Getting to be too much like the table in the high school cafeteria with the girls talking about who said what and arguing about what was said.

 

[roabilly]

Are you a selective reader or just retarted? YOUR BENEFITS HAVE NOT BEEN CUT! The IAMNPF is a defined benefit program. You pay in NOW at a certain rate annually. As long as you contribute the appropriate amount for that year that's what you get every month. That has not been cut. If you were paying in at the (I think it's) $78/month/year rate, that's what you get. Once you retire, for every year you paid in at that level (let's say 2009-2013) you get $78/month for each year, making your pension $390/month. YOUR BENEFITS WERE NOT CUT!

What happened, and this has been said (and ignored) many times is that FUTURE benefits will be at a lower rate. For whatever reason I didn't get the letter, so I'm going to make up numbers. Let's just say that the company has been paying $1.05/hour. That has been getting us $78/month (I think). Starting next year (or when we get a new contract) that $1.05/hour will get us $50/month/year or whatever it was reduced to. THAT DOESN'T CHANGE YOUR RATE FOR PAST YEARS. Your benefits have not been cut. The company paid in a certain amount that gives you a certain payment and that has not changed. FUTURE years will change (unless negotiations modify the contribution to adapt to this) but your benefits have not been cut.

Dude... you have hung in here through thick and thin since 08 that I know of... always providing straight talk with facts... that's what's it's all about-- So... you are COOL in my book!

 

[robbedagain]

freedom... seriously dude get help... youre beyond delusional... as for tim nelson being himself being roability etc man that got to take a hell of a lot of talent to be soo many at one time on these boards.... i still continue resorting to the contract book these days and i still read it bec it never hurts to do so...

 

[ograc]

Don't worry about looking up that word Charlie... you won't need it! -- Honesty, and a sincere desire to serve, will trump it every single time!

Honesty and a sincere desire to serve is all most members expect from their leadership. The two traits trump everything.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim
Look, it is apparent by all your post that you are not a Delaney fan. But tell me why you have to say things about the whole NC like you know us. I remember a year or so ago, last time you and I talked on the phone, you guaranteed me that Delaney would take us straight into integrated talks as soon as the merger was announced. I told you no that wouldn't happen, then you said it would. And me and anyone else that fought it would be thrown off the committee. Do you remember that conversation?? So the least you could do on this forum, is quit posting things as if you have the committee all figured out. Because time has proven that you do not know us as well as you want to make everyone think you do.

Charlie Brown, I for one certainly hope I am wrong. I've been wrong before and I'm certain to be wrong again. But, It's not how you talk but how you finish and how you produce when you are on the membership dime. Hopefully, you guy stick together for the membership sake and not for the IAM's sake. I warned you and other eboard members on how Delaney's actions would affect the United TA. I certainly hope you guys have learned by watching the debacle that came true at United. At any rate, things change over time and hopefully you guys will respond based on more information at your hands. The only thing that matters is getting an equitable contract. I'd be ecstatic if you guys delivered a TA that was worthy. Tell us CB, can you say you would have voted No on the United contract or do you have to be silent about it? And, are you guys negotiating retro? BTW, did Delaney get retro for all of the non contract members at sCO? Ah, that's a good question isn't it? Actually, the sCO ramp got retro in their first contract. Regarding US AIRWAYS negotiations, it may be better to have mx go first, given the situation. Fleet needs serious wage improvements and an improvement on scope without conceding other articles. The company is making record profits so you have leverage, and you have a strong membership behind you to finish the fight but you must be willing to trust the membership. I liked that you mentioned picketing. That's a good start. As an aside, what is the story on the organizing drive? It's so secret that I sit in a station with 1,300 AMR agents and we haven't even seen it. Why are we going after American Eagle for the IAM, aren't they already union? One thing we both agree on is that we don't want to become TWU but I've seen no leadership making the necessary communication to prevent it. The cards may not have to flow yet, but relationship building and committees and special key people must be in place very very soon otherwise the only hope would be to broker some deal above. The big monkey wrench will be if the IBT/AMFA can beat the single carrier filing. If so, then the TWU will not be in a position to make any deals with the IAM. regards,