April/May 2013 IAM Fleet Discussions

[charlie Brown]

Robbed
The next meetings will be held in DC the week of April 23rd. We have been meeting in phx with an occasional session in Ord at the district headquarters. The mediator moved us to DC this next session, which is one thing they do, when they feel that it is needed. As far as the 2%, if I understand your question. The last raise we were scheduled under the last T/A that was voted in, was Jan 2011, then an additional 2% in July of 2012. Like I said before, I can't answer for the last team on why that was the last one scheduled, other than to say, most contracts raises end at some date within the agreement ( usually the end of the effective date) that's why you here signing bonuses talked about when the membership has been awhile without a raise.

 

[wings396]

That July 2012 wasn't really any type of a penalty since we didn't get one in Jan of 2012. That was kicked under the carpet as a "mis-print" in our copies of the 2008 CBA. If anything, the membership was penalized by having to wait an additional 6 months for their raise. Had we gotten the Jan & July increases, that would have been what I classify as a penalty to the company for dragging their feet. Instead we get screwed for getting screwed..

 

[wings396]

Charlie, any talk of retro pay in the current talks?

 

[freedom]

The company gave the twu a 4% raise to get them on board .....

We've been pretty good as a work force , I think few can deny that , US airways should give us our cost of living increases as an act of goof faith ..

It's doubtfull they will do that but it doesn't hurt to point out that doing the right thing is right .

 

[robbedagain]

cb i thought that the reason for the no jan was bec we got one in july.. but as wings said under that old leadership we basically got screwed big time... i sure hope that as you and the team negogiate the week of april 23 i sure hope any kind of talk would not come to the type of agreement that ual had that was shot down... also as you pointed out that being in dc does that mean that the nmb is also sittin in on the talks too?

 

[charlie Brown]

Wings
It's very hard to get retro in a contract in today's world. That's why you here more about a signing bonus. I'm sure the longer we go with no raise, the more a signing bonus will be talked about. That's about all the info I can give you on that.

 

[robbedagain]

The company gave the twu a 4% raise to get them on board .....

We've been pretty good as a work force , I think few can deny that , US airways should give us our cost of living increases as an act of goof faith ..

It's doubtfull they will do that but it doesn't hurt to point out that doing the right thing is right .

the company meaning usairways.... the same outfit who cannot seem to negogiate with the iam and they offer the twu anther union anthr air carrier that kind of raises and it dont make you mad? that angers me and others.... that goes to show you the mgmt does not give a rats about their own they mess around nowonder they love the twu... pathetic pathetic

 

[charlie Brown]

Let me correct that a little. Before people start correcting me. It's very hard to get retro in a contract if you've never had it before vs a signing bonus.

 

[charlie Brown]

cb i thought that the reason for the no jan was bec we got one in july.. but as wings said under that old leadership we basically got screwed big time... i sure hope that as you and the team negogiate the week of april 23 i sure hope any kind of talk would not come to the type of agreement that ual had that was shot down... also as you pointed out that being in dc does that mean that the nmb is also sittin in on the talks too?

Yes the NMB will be sitting in on the talks. They have been for sometime now. As far as that 2%. You'll notice I said the T/A that was voted in. I know what the contract states. But the T/A is the official document that was voted in. If you look at the scale in it. It will show raises through jan 2011. It doesn't show one for Jan 2012. It shows one for 2012, and that is in July. There is also on the front of that same T/A that was voted in a statement that says if there is any discrepancies between the T/A and the printed contract, then the T/A prevails and is the official document.

 

[robbedagain]

thanks for the for the info.. i saw the contract and last yr i had pointed out to some of my coworkers that the 2% was actually in july not in jan.. and some of them were like no in both jan n july i showed the contract and then when they did not get the 2% in jan i told them just re read the contract.. thanks again for the info and again good luck with the negogiations bro

 

[IAM Informer]

Sadly, the company knows that there are no repercussions for them dragging their feet in negotiations. I'm willing to bet that retroactive pay has never been mentioned by the IAM. Maybe some of you that are in the know can shed some light on this subject.
I hate to even mention that our raise has been dragged out until July again.

Sadly, the company knows that there are no repercussions for them dragging their feet in negotiations. I'm willing to bet that retroactive pay has never been mentioned by the IAM. Maybe some of you that are in the know can shed some light on this subject.
I hate to even mention that our raise has been dragged out until July again.

retro are you kidding UA had retro in there pocket until RD bent over Smiseks desk and gave it away. You will never see retro in a future contract at least not in a IAM contract heck management didnt even want to gives us PS. You are absolutely correct about NO repercussions . the membership doesn't trust the leadership so why would anyone believe or follow anything they say.

 

[freedom]

From reading the thread I see that some of you think the company is in a very strong postion . I tend to disagee ,I think they are in a horribly weak position, they may not even realise it but I do .

 

[mike33]

The company gave the twu a 4% raise to get them on board .....

We've been pretty good as a work force , I think few can deny that , US airways should give us our cost of living increases as an act of goof faith ..

It's doubtfull they will do that but it doesn't hurt to point out that doing the right thing is right .

Freedom....the 4% is a sucker bet in my opinion..... wait till you see what they gave up in profit sharing when the time comes and you may be amazed that that 4% should have been a 10% raise.....im only lokking ahead for sure but thats the way i calculate it.

Dont be deceived by their 4% thinking it looks pretty good. Especially if you never make it to this merger with lackluster protection compared to what they have.

 

[IAM Informer]

As far as negotiations. We have shift focus since the merger has been announced. The company wants to place us directly into integrated talks with AA and the TWU. We however, have made it clear that we must get certain things for our members in our current contract before we go into integrated talks. The question now becomes, what do we have to have now, and what can wait to he discussed in the integration talks. There are things we must get now. There are other things that would actually be better to wait and negotiate as the worlds largest carrier. This is where we are at now, going over the " must have " issues. Problem is that the company doesn't agree with the " must have " issues.

charlie ,
glad to hear that. Is it a fair assessment to say that the NG team is opposed to leaving sect 6 and that if it happens (without much needed improvements) then we are to assume that RD trumped the team and sided with management..
Not knocking you guys just turning the pages back a few pages in RD book and referring to what he did to his own blood at UA after personally PROMISING his blood that he wouldnt do such a thing. I would suggest don't hang your hat on " the worlds largest carrier" status at present UA is the worlds largest carrier and the T/A he brought back is obviously the worst in the Airline Industry. I also believe that District 141 IAM is currently the LARGEST union on UA's property and couldn't use any of that leverage to bring back a livable contract. I disagree with TIm on the joining the 2 Districts together because as we have just seen at UA it really doesn't scare the company and all that I believe goes back to respect the US management team has NO zero respect for the union heck just look back at what they have done to us in the 5 yrs RD has been in office.

 

[charlie Brown]

thanks for the for the info.. i saw the contract and last yr i had pointed out to some of my coworkers that the 2% was actually in july not in jan.. and some of them were like no in both jan n july i showed the contract and then when they did not get the 2% in jan i told them just re read the contract.. thanks again for the info and again good luck with the negogiations bro

Thanks Robbed
I as well as all the other guys on the team appreciate it. We need everyone to get as educated as possible on what's going on, that's why I wanted to get back on here and answer some questions. I'll keep you as updated as I can.