APFA Constitutional Amendments

[FA Mikey]

What a joke. God forbid someone who work for the union should be trip removed. It should be done on their own time. If they want to do road shows, it should be in the local hooker hotel in the seediest part of town.

Everyone wants there call taken and question answered immediately. But not have to actually pay for someone to man the phones and be in the office. They whine about secrecy, and them when they bring the union to another bases, the same whiners complain about the expense. Screwed if you do, screwed if you dont.

 

[L1011Ret]

First of all not every F/A on military leave is out fighting in a war. The military is like their second career . It's there choice and more power to them. So why must the APFA lose money ??? The union is a business and has expenses that need to be paid. If you are receiving union representation in any way then you must pay your share. Plain and simple, no more free rides..... Pay up or move on...

Absolute nonsense. There are people in Iraq and Afganistan. They should pay extortion to APFA for what? Absolutely nothing!

 

[galleyguy4u2]

Mikey, I have attended several APFA conventions and meetings at hotels that were very expensive. Also the elaborate awards dinners and cocktail hour. If you want proof I have all the receipts during my stay at these 4-5 star hotels.

How about a nice Holiday Inn? Not good enough for APFA.

How many have you attended?

 

[L1011Ret]

Just trying to recover some costs from the lawsuits. Hope they get it all. It will benefit every member of APFA. It might make people think twice before they sue for no valid reason. They wasted too much of APFA's and AA's time. They should be compensated, even if it is just a drop in the bucket. Too bad they can't go after the ambulance chasers as well. Maybe some of the people on this board who made donations to the group in the past can do it again to help them out. Just a thought.

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hateful as usual.

 

[IORFA]

Again, attack the person when you don't like what they say. Apparantly, you don't like to hear the truth.

 

[nbmcg01]

Again, attack the person when you don't like what they say. Apparantly, you don't like to hear the truth.

You obviously agree with the collusion (with AA) and manipulation of the RPA vote. Very "union-like" of the APFA. And a "yes" voter? If so then you are one of the few that will admit to voting yes. The APFA should be sued for what it did to every AA f/a in 2003, again and again. And are they capable of an honest election? Obviously not if they are so concerned about 6-800 people voting that they would enact a POLL TAX to try and stop the vote. I wonder since one is required to pay all back dues while off if they will also retro that very important vote. No, I didn't think so.

 

[jersey777]

jersey, so you think our Military Reserves who are protecting you and all the rest of of us should pay dues??? Should they repay these dues??? I say HELL NO!!!!

I say you need a reality check. I have friends serving and risking their lives and I would NOT ask them for one red cent. Res:8 is very very wrong. If I am on a IOD through no fault of my own and who knows how long that will be. You want them to pay back dues????? Do you have a heart??? Forget the TWA vote.

Unfortunately for you this resolution is a direct result of you and your cohorts decision to send out the "We will scab!" letter. Your radical fringe element keeps playing hardball with your fellow employees and we are playing hardball back. You have tried everything including selling your soul to get your TWA seniority back. It ain't gonna happen. It is a shame that all furloughs have to suffer for the actions of a vocal few. I never saw or felt any animosity from those former TWA I flew with.

I don't think this resolution is perfect. I don't like the idea of people having to pony up some $500.00 or so to come back to work after being on furlough for a year. But then again, the APFA is a year round organization that works for all of us whether we are active or not. It is kind of like taxes. You can't say that you were in Canada for two months so you don't have to pay taxes for those 2 months.

 

[FA Mikey]

Mikey, I have attended several APFA conventions and meetings at hotels that were very expensive. Also the elaborate awards dinners and cocktail hour. If you want proof I have all the receipts during my stay at these 4-5 star hotels.

How about a nice Holiday Inn? Not good enough for APFA.

How many have you attended?

Which 5 star hotels, What was there room rate? what were the food costs? what was the cost to the union? Not just what you assume them to be, what were they actually.

 

[galleyguy4u2]

"I never saw or felt any animosity from those former TWA I flew with."


Of course you would not feel any animosity as they are consummate professionals as most of us are. They are there to do their job and know not to get into pissing matches onboard the aircraft. How they really feel is a different story. Trust me, they may smile at you and engage you in conversation but they will never be your best friend

 

[galleyguy4u2]

I think as a member I can request that information or shall I say full disclosure of all expenses paid by APFA.

 

[nbmcg01]

Unfortunately for you this resolution is a direct result of you and your cohorts decision to send out the "We will scab!" letter. Your radical fringe element keeps playing hardball with your fellow employees and we are playing hardball back. You have tried everything including selling your soul to get your TWA seniority back. It ain't gonna happen. It is a shame that all furloughs have to suffer for the actions of a vocal few. I never saw or felt any animosity from those former TWA I flew with.

I don't think this resolution is perfect. I don't like the idea of people having to pony up some $500.00 or so to come back to work after being on furlough for a year. But then again, the APFA is a year round organization that works for all of us whether we are active or not. It is kind of like taxes. You can't say that you were in Canada for two months so you don't have to pay taxes for those 2 months.

The Coalition had nothing to do with this proposal. Smoke and mirrors. None of the Coalition's members have voting rights so that is a moot issue. I think you would be shocked at the number of former AA retirees on the list. This is being done to try and stop those furloughed from having a say in a strike vote or on a contract that could potentially affect them. Every junior AA f/a should be very afraid. Even some of the negotiating team members have come out statin NO on all resolutiions.

Seriously, how do you take away someone's vote and then REQUIRE them to pay back dues? If payment of dues on return is a given then their should be no loss of voting rights EVER.

You all realize that if another acquisition/merger occurs and there is a representation election ALL memebrs will be allowed to vote regardless of dues status.

 

[czerny]

APFA does not work for other members. Just ask anyone who is 10 years or less. If they cared about us at the bottom rung, furlough pay would never have been given up. If they cared about "all" of us, then there wouldn't be "involuntary overage leaves", and a resolution to force junior lowly paid flight attendants to pay "union dues" when on furlough. LG told me and my buddy bidder on a flight to DFW in August that we would not be furloughed. Yeah, right. 2 days later, we got our warn letter. No, APFA does not care about the juniors, never have, never will. Like I tried to explain on another chatboard, there are ONLY 26 former TWAAers left on payroll. This resolution isn't about them. This resolution is about money, plain and simple. The next round of furloughs is going to go deep into 1999. Good luck to us all.

 

[jersey777]

"I never saw or felt any animosity from those former TWA I flew with."


Of course you would not feel any animosity as they are consummate professionals as most of us are. They are there to do their job and know not to get into pissing matches onboard the aircraft. How they really feel is a different story. Trust me, they may smile at you and engage you in conversation but they will never be your best friend

I'll make a note of that should any of you ever come back to work. And you wonder why the APFA acts as it does.

 

[Ralph]

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[IORFA]

czerny-

Let me get this straight. You would rather that APFA did nothing to help you and all that were in your position? You would rather have been indefinately furloughed instead of just for 2 months? Seems like APFA helped you out greatly in that regard. Yet you seem to think they are out to get you. Seems to me that APFA is out to HELP you at every turn so far. Now, you are also the great jimdini and are prognosticating more, even greater furloughs to come. How come you know that information, yet didn't know that you would be furloughed for 2 months? I am not trying to stir the pot, just that people need to tone down the emotions and try to think a little more clearly. People need to stop feeling sorry for themselves and work to make it better. Manipulating information and spreading rumors as fact certainly don't help.