APA Pilots Reject TA

[Mach85ER]

I'd wait and see what the next step is before celebrating...

Agreed.

I voted no and am not celebrating.

The whistle has just been blown to kick off the start of a brutal and bloody game that will probably last for several years and will directly be the fault of AA management.

APA surrendered to binding arbitration given the circumstances of Chapter 11. AA Management declined and offered a overeaching land grab that destroyed what was in many cases, the product of 50 years of collective bargaining. They wanted to lock us into another decade of exacting concessions, yet somehow, they just quite haven't found the time to address their own compensation and benefit standards that they will live under even though they were responsible for the millions of fines and their marketing failures. They even hired a "consultant" to determine this, something that should have been done in a morning meeting 6 mionths ago.

Maybe they can divert attention with another "lie flat in two years" press conference. (Just forgot that our competitors have lie flat seats today)

 

[1AA]

APA will get a better deal now since more money is on the table. Yes more money from the deal the TWU just sold its members down the river with.

 

[FWAAA]

APA will get a better deal now since more money is on the table. Yes more money from the deal the TWU just sold its members down the river with.

An improved offer to the pilots will trigger an improvement to all other groups thanks to the "me-too" clause.

 

[1AA]

An improved offer to the pilots will trigger an improvement to all other groups thanks to the "me-too" clause.

Me Too clause? Now that is funny. You realize that you are talking about the TWU company union here? I like the intention though.


You guys had 95% job protection in the LBO, We have ZERO! Will that be part of the Me Too? Just asking.

 

[RB211]

An improved offer to the pilots will trigger an improvement to all other groups thanks to the "me-too" clause.

At least the pilots had the brass to vote it down. Time to get the TWU the hell off of the property once and for all!

 

[eolesen]

Try to keep this about the pilots, OK?

Y'all have enough TWU threads running concurrently:

: http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/54029-voted-in/
: http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/54032-look-at-what-just-happened/
: http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/53914-why-i-voted-yes/
: http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/54022-im-going-to-abstain/
: http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/54025-its-official-its-going-down/
: http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/54026-why-the-wait-for-the-vote-count/

 

[strikeforce]

At least the pilots had the brass to vote it down. Time to get the TWU the hell off of the property once and for all!

Talk is cheap....the amt's have had plenty of chances to throw those bums off the property, but the TULSA amt's don't have the nads to do it.....and that's because they like the twu and concessions. The members of the APA have the integrity and will power to see through the lousy concessions. We will soon find out who's going to blink first....AA or the APA. AA might come out the loser if they push hard enough. I suspect LBO #2 for the APA before abrogation....but, that's going to be a hard sell for Ream and company to change the minds of at least 2500 pilots. All I can say TWU...thanks for screwing the thousands of amt's throughout the industry, both voluntarily (2003) and consentually (2012). You're not at the bottom....you're the leaders of the industry in destroying the amt profession!

 

[Captain Reality]

US pilots are stupid for rejecting the TA. Unless we are willing to walk out and defy the judge,AA is fixing to take "US" pilots to the cleaners!

 

[amt66]

US pilots are stupid for rejecting the TA. Unless we are willing to walk out and defy the judge,AA is fixing to take "US" pilots to the cleaners!

It will be interesting what the pilots do once their contract is thrown out. I have to say I'm surprised they voted no even after their union urged a yes votr

 

[AA89]

There will be another LBO. They just need to change the minds of 833 pilots.


Hey, it worked before........50% +1 right?


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[Ken MacTiernan]

the pilots did what they thought was right and did not listen the rhetoric of the company or their union board. Good for them for standing tall while the twu rolls over again

The pilots have more people who did not listen to fear and more fear. Good thing they don't belong to the twu.

 

[Phoenix]

I'd wait and see what the next step is before celebrating...

Yeah, you would and nobody would fault you for that, but you aren't them. Sometimes people just get to the point of apathy and they don't care about threats anymore. Folks get numb from all the verbal beatings and eventually just only have one answer, "no" no matter what. Mgt could announce a 1M$ bonus for all employees and folks would still say "no" because they are no longer listening to mgt. No, no, no.

I have a lot a APA pilots jump with me and I have never seen a group of pilots so eaten up with anger at Horton. It is what it is.

 

[AA89]

.................or was it 50% + 48?..........

 

[Jacobin777]

Interesting read on which pilot base voted for/against the contract:

http://blogs.star-telegram.com/sky_talk/2012/08/dfw-pilot-base-voted-in-favor-of-agreement.html

 

[Mach85ER]

US pilots are stupid for rejecting the TA. Unless we are willing to walk out and defy the judge,AA is fixing to take "US" pilots to the cleaners!

I guess you don't have your finger on the pulse of the AA pilot group. Here's your post from a couple of days ago. I was 2 points under on my NO vote guess. Welcome along for the ride, I hope you stay onboard

Captain Reality
The pilot's are going to vote yes. For us to vote no, would be career ending suicide. We don't have the guts to strike so a yes vote is the only option.