Another School Massacre

[Dog Wonder]

Sorry if it sounds cruel but, you ever hear "Survival of the fittest"

That is killing the Republican Party.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Were you concerned about the women and children killed ( who had nothing to do with the attack on the US) when we intrroduced "shock and awe" on the Iraqi people back in 2003? Does the fact that we "declared war" on Iraq make a difference? Does it make a difference that not one single reason that we "declared war" on Iraq proved true make those deaths any less tragic than drone attacks on Afghans?

It's rather funny....Hitler can be tied to just about anybody. For example, when we were in Iraq, a lot of us lefties used the following words to illustrate what our leadership was doing [/size]

If you ask me, those words from a follower of HItler were pretty darn close to what we faced here in America in 2003. When I spoke out against the war in Iraq, I was called a terrorist supporting troop hater who WANTED us to be attacked. Sorry....the comparison to Hitler hits closer to home with the neocons than it ever did with Obama.

We NEVER EVER declared war on Iraq either time. We went in under the United Nations. At least get that right. Neither Bush nor Obama went before Congress for afvice and consent of the American People to put our troops in harms way. If the US Congress had voted to go to war then off we go and kick some Iraqi buttocks.

As for Comparisons to Uncle Adolf, I've no problem lumping Bush in with Obama if it makes you feel better. However I'd argue that philospophically speaking Bush was closer to Mussolini, a true facist as are most Neo-Cons. It's just tough for them to see it while wrapped in the American Flag, Bible in one hand and a signed picture of Ronald Reagan in the other.

 

[KCFlyer]

We NEVER EVER declared war on Iraq either time. We went in under the United Nations. At least get that right. Neither Bush nor Obama went before Congress for afvice and consent of the American People to put our troops in harms way. If the US Congress had voted to go to war then off we go and kick some Iraqi buttocks.

Bush did NOT have the backing of the UN...he had the "coalition of the willing"...mostly countries that didn't want to see the checkbook cut off. Bush got the approval to go to war agaisnt Iraq "when all other efforts were exhausted". When he got that vote, he declared that we'd exhausted all our efforts and introduced a little shock and awe...but back then we didn't call a dead Iraqi woman or child "innocent". I believe the preferred phrase was "collateral damage". At least Obama's drone attacks were against a country that actually SHELTERED the mastermind of the WTC plot. Bush's war against Saddam was based on nothing more than a Neocon "new American Century".

 

[delldude]

Were you concerned about the women and children killed ( who had nothing to do with the attack on the US) when we intrroduced "shock and awe" on the Iraqi people back in 2003? Does the fact that we "declared war" on Iraq make a difference? Does it make a difference that not one single reason that we "declared war" on Iraq proved true make those deaths any less tragic than drone attacks on Afghans?

It's rather funny....Hitler can be tied to just about anybody. For example, when we were in Iraq, a lot of us lefties used the following words to illustrate what our leadership was doing [/size]

If you ask me, those words from a follower of HItler were pretty darn close to what we faced here in America in 2003. When I spoke out against the war in Iraq, I was called a terrorist supporting troop hater who WANTED us to be attacked. Sorry....the comparison to Hitler hits closer to home with the neocons than it ever did with Obama.

The fact that your side has politicized combat has made many of our Sons and Daughters die needlessly in defense of our country......make you feel good now?
Liberal rules of engagement......some one should suck on that for a while.

 

[KCFlyer]

The fact that your side has politicized combat has made many of our Sons and Daughters die needlessly in defense of our country......make you feel good now?
Liberal rules of engagement......some one should suck on that for a while.

My side politicized that? All I said (in FEBRUARY 2003) was that going to war in Iraq was wrong. It occurs to me that the French said something similar. And what did WE do? We created "freedom fries" and told people like me that I was a terrorist supporting troop hater. But Bush was idolized by the right because he gave us tax cuts and was going to kick a little A-Rab ass. Turns out that me and the French were RIGHT..and yep...our troops died NOT protecting us from any threat, but they died in vain...no WMD's found (despite our leaders looking under white house sofa's to find them), no chemical weapons found, and several enemy forces who took our leader up on his dare to "bring 'em on". And when Obama does what Bush failed to do...kill bin Laden...the right wing paints THAT one as a presidential ego trip. Funny...they didn't view an aircraft carrier landing to declare "mission accomplished" (while trooops were still dying) as any kind of ego trip.

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

The fact that your side has politicized combat has made many of our Sons and Daughters die needlessly in defense of our country......make you feel good now?
Liberal rules of engagement......some one should suck on that for a while.

Our "sons and daughters wouldn't have DIED needlessly"...if we had stayed OUT of F'n IRAQ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(Speaking of Iraq,...is That C-S...CHENEY in the ground yet) ?
I WORSHIP the GROUND he's got coming to Him !

 

[southwind]

I'm sure you'd feel the same way if it were your kid. Or maybe not.

My kid would not take a toy gun to school ! Next?

 

[KCFlyer]

My kid would not take a toy gun to school ! Next?

Funny thing...that's exactly what the parents of this kid said.

 

[southwind]

My side politicized that? All I said (in FEBRUARY 2003) was that going to war in Iraq was wrong. It occurs to me that the French said something similar. And what did WE do? We created "freedom fries" and told people like me that I was a terrorist supporting troop hater. But Bush was idolized by the right because he gave us tax cuts and was going to kick a little A-Rab ass. Turns out that me and the French were RIGHT..and yep...our troops died NOT protecting us from any threat, but they died in vain...no WMD's found (despite our leaders looking under white house sofa's to find them), no chemical weapons found, and several enemy forces who took our leader up on his dare to "bring 'em on". And when Obama does what Bush failed to do...kill bin Laden...the right wing paints THAT one as a presidential ego trip. Funny...they didn't view an aircraft carrier landing to declare "mission accomplished" (while trooops were still dying) as any kind of ego trip.

Our "sons and daughters wouldn't have DIED needlessly"...if we had stayed OUT of F'n IRAQ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(Speaking of Iraq,...is That C-S...CHENEY in the ground yet) ?
I WORSHIP the GROUND he's got coming to Him !

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkS9y5t0tR0[youtube]

You two were saying ?

 

[Dog Wonder]

My kid would not take a toy gun to school ! Next?

Your imaginary kid?

 

[KCFlyer]

[youtube][youtube]

You two were saying ?

I missed the part where she said we needed to invade him without UN support. We KNEW he had chemical weapons since the Reagan Administration gave it to him.

As for HIllary's comments. Here's the verbiage that was voted on (and approved)

SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

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  (a) AUTHORIZATION- The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to--

• • 
    (1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and

• • 
    (2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq.

B) PRESIDENTIAL DETERMINATION- In connection with the exercise of the authority granted in subsection (a) to use force the President shall, prior to such exercise or as soon thereafter as may be feasible, but no later than 48 hours after exercising such authority, make available to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President pro tempore of the Senate his determination that--

• (1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic or other peaceful means alone either (A) will not adequately protect the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq or ( B) is not likely to lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq; and
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• (2) acting pursuant to this joint resolution is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorist and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned,authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.
  • 
    

• • 
    

Six months after it was voted on I guess we determined that peaceful methods apparently weren't working. Hillary voted yes to use force AFTER all other means had been exhausted. We barely let the ink dry.

 

[delldude]

My side politicized that? All I said (in FEBRUARY 2003) was that going to war in Iraq was wrong. It occurs to me that the French said something similar. And what did WE do? We created "freedom fries" and told people like me that I was a terrorist supporting troop hater. But Bush was idolized by the right because he gave us tax cuts and was going to kick a little A-Rab ass. Turns out that me and the French were RIGHT..and yep...our troops died NOT protecting us from any threat, but they died in vain...no WMD's found (despite our leaders looking under white house sofa's to find them), no chemical weapons found, and several enemy forces who took our leader up on his dare to "bring 'em on". And when Obama does what Bush failed to do...kill bin Laden...the right wing paints THAT one as a presidential ego trip. Funny...they didn't view an aircraft carrier landing to declare "mission accomplished" (while trooops were still dying) as any kind of ego trip.

Regardless how long you dance the dance....the ROE's killed more Americans than it should have saved.

If it runs correct in my mind, under Bush, lib's were the ones with the answers.

Where were you and the left concerns in WW2 in Britain and Europe?

 

[KCFlyer]

Well dell, back in WW2, I was but a glimmer in my mothers eye. If you'll recall though, the US was quite reluctant to enter WW2. Then we got attacked. And then another funny thing happened...we went after the country that did it. Had FDR been like Bush, we would have sent a few troops into Japan, and then petitioned the Congress to go after the real enemy in Korea.

 

[delldude]

My side politicized that? All I said (in FEBRUARY 2003) was that going to war in Iraq was wrong. It occurs to me that the French said something similar. And what did WE do? We created "freedom fries" and told people like me that I was a terrorist supporting troop hater. But Bush was idolized by the right because he gave us tax cuts and was going to kick a little A-Rab ass. Turns out that me and the French were RIGHT..and yep...our troops died NOT protecting us from any threat, but they died in vain...no WMD's found (despite our leaders looking under white house sofa's to find them), no chemical weapons found, and several enemy forces who took our leader up on his dare to "bring 'em on". And when Obama does what Bush failed to do...kill bin Laden...the right wing paints THAT one as a presidential ego trip. Funny...they didn't view an aircraft carrier landing to declare "mission accomplished" (while trooops were still dying) as any kind of ego trip.

Zero dark thirty trailer tips its hat to your hero GWB saying it took ten years to get OBL.

And that carrier landing......Jesus Christ, that was a little over the top from GWB...

 

[southwind]

Barrack needs to change his middle name !

Barrack " Me Me Me Me Me " Obama !