Another School Massacre
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Glenn Quagmire said:
Glenn,
That argument has always been a bit of a puzzle to me. To me it's one answer, Maybe not the best answer if maximum Liberty is your only philosophical driver.
I really like the idea of fully armed and trained citizens A LOT. It could be made part of Physical Education Classes. Duration of 6 weeks would seem about right. Whether we carry it into forced service is another idea worthy of debate.
For me this is one of those where I can see both sides. Like the death penalty. Mostly I'm opposed to it, but then some guy like Jeffrey Dahmer comes along and I'm, "Well OK just this once" and when you're creating laws it doesn't work that way.
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Dog Wonder said:
That's why I perfected the art of empty handed combat. I had a vision that someday someone would come down the pike and figure out how to pork the gun lovers constitutionally. As Obama said 'You can keep your guns' ....but try to get bullets.
Ms Tree said:
Why "failed"? That's merely an honest (if sad) acceptance of our species' well-established, historical nature. We're at our very best when offering love, shelter, food and support to each other, but history's well-proven such to be the precious exception, rather than the natural rule.
"An armed society is a polite society". Robert A. Heinlein Whatever fantasies we might all fervently wish to someday, somehow become true...etc. We can immediately cue-up John Lennon's "Imagine", but must ruefully note that he was taken down by an act of murderous violence.
Accepting reality doesn't in any way diminish the miracle of Life or the worth of the human race...and suggesting societal failure from doing so assumes such a grandiose degree of arrogance that words fail to serve here.
delldude said:
2nd degree black belt Kajukenpo, but gittin' too old fer' that "silly crap" anymore, if it ever got serious in normal, civilian/non-war/riding-my-unicorn-to-the-store/etc life...which for selfish purposes; I'll hope to be NEVER again "serious", as I'm light-years past any adolescent fantasies of "heroics", having seen war/etc: "God created men, but Samuel Colt made them equal". We're, all of us, incredibly fragile physically, no matter our egos, and Life is truly nothing less than a precious miracle for any of us. NEVER seriously fight if it's at all avoidable...Period! Taking anyone's very life, even that of complete strangers isn't any trifling issue, no matter their intentions or how they're "dressed"/contrary uniforms/etc....and funerals are rather significant events in anyone's life...especially if they're one's friends, not to mention one's own.
"....but try to get bullets." Agreed. What truly "interesting times" we now live in: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02/14/why-is-department-homeland-security-buying-so-many-bullets/
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Perhaps it is a volume thing? After all there are over 30,000 gun related deaths in the country every year. That boils sown to about 3.5 deaths an hour. Sounds like most of them do not make it into the news.
Some murders are more glamorous than others. Look at the media coverage that Calyee Anthony and Natalee Halloway have received. Not as if any other children have been murdered or abducted right?
Some murders are more glamorous than others. Look at the media coverage that Calyee Anthony and Natalee Halloway have received. Not as if any other children have been murdered or abducted right?
Ms Tree said:
Oh Puh-leeaze! Between just 1914 and 1945...the larger portion of a hundred MILLION "fellow human beings" were, with fully tacit agreement on circumstances and "reasons", cheerfully murdered by one another. Just GROW UP and finally take an honest and clear look around you tree, and if you've some newly-found, magical "cure" for the "human condition"...then please post it here immediately.
Hint: Willfully being an unable, unarmed and helpless wimp, easily subjected to even just simple mugging, isn't an overly impressive, nor particularly magnificent badge of "honor" for any supposed philosopher discussing violence or weapons.
Failing any divine lightning strike that forcibly extracts any "liberal" craniums from their keisters...well...at least work on the GROW UP part.
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I guess not being afraid is cowardice in an upside down world.
Dog Wonder said:
Oh hardly. I'm not much untowardly afraid of anything that I can't control, just one who accepts reality. I've always gone with pretty much the same philosophy as Thomas Jackson = "The Lord has determined my place and time", but interestingly enough though; I didn't now accuse you of being a coward, nor even suggest that, yet that popped up from you without the slightest solicitation....Just sayin'.....Why did you choose to respond immediately with that "cowardice" bit? No accusations here; I'm honestly curious? Umm..and being entirely "not afraid" in all circumstances just means that you're a complete, village idiot..."sorry".
Plentiful circumstances can get one killed in a heartbeat.Don't have much of a brain, do ya' son?
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What's that have to do with media attention?EastUS1 said:
Oh Puh-leeaze! Between just 1914 and 1945...the larger portion of a hundred MILLION "fellow human beings" were, with fully tacit agreement on circumstances and "reasons", cheerfully murdered by one another. Just GROW UP and finally take an honest and clear look around you tree, and if you've some newly-found, magical "cure" for the "human condition"...then please post it here immediately.
Hint: Willfully being an unable, unarmed and helpless wimp, easily subjected to even just simple mugging, isn't an overly impressive, nor particularly magnificent badge of "honor" for any supposed philosopher discussing violence or weapons.
Failing any divine lightning strike that forcibly extracts any "liberal" craniums from their keisters...well...at least work on the GROW UP part.
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Hint.EastUS1 said:
