and still nothing for the peons....

Overspeed said:
Take a look at the last offer from SWA. Looks like a "yellow dog" contract.
What would be the AA offer? The black skunk with white stripes contract? Smells ripe for nearly 13 years....
 
Overspeed said:
Take a look at the last offer from SWA. Looks like a "yellow dog" contract.
Yeah like the contracts we've been accepting since 1983? The twu pioneered the destruction of labor in the airlines.
Along with Bob "how to grow an airline at your workers expense" Crandall.
 
Overspeed said:
Take a look at the last offer from SWA. Looks like a "yellow dog" contract.
Do you mean this one?
 
As you can see from the above–the Company’s “must-have” list of concessions to our current agreement has essentially remained unchanged over more than two years of negotiating. During a time of record profitability the Company is seeking language changes that would degrade our covered work, reduce your ability to earn overtime and erode basic quality of life protections. The question then becomes: what is the Company offering in return for these concessionary sacrifices that it seeks from you? The answer gleaned from the Company’s comprehensive proposal is: no retroactive pay; percentage increases to pay rates that do not track projected cost of living increases during the life of the contract; no caps to health care premiums; and no increase to 401(k) percentage contributions.

http://amfa11.com/file_cabinet/SWA_Drawer/CN/AMFA%20SWA%20Technician%20Negotiations%20Update30.pdf
 
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its remarkable that they actually get an update. we get...well nothing......
 
How would you get an update when they aren't in negotiations yet?

Simply amazing just have to shake my head.
 
dfw gen said:
its remarkable that they actually get an update. we get...well nothing......
Difficult to give negotiation updates when we are not yet in negotiations and for now the last update is that we are waiting for May 15 to see if any intervenor can get on the possible ballot.

I have said before that I do admire the updates that AMFA provides their members. Very in depth and it keeps people involved in the process and hopefully progress. Kudos for that.

But I'm also wondering what's your take on having those negotiations transparent for the entire world to view? I don't personally know how in depth the TWU Local 555 negotiations are because you have to be a member and have a sign in code to read them. I'm personally not a fan of every tid bit being exposed to the general public myself.

http://twu555.org/Negotiations/tabid/407/Default.aspx
 
700UW said:
How would you get an update when they aren't in negotiations yet?

Simply amazing just have to shake my head.
 
Pretty sure the poster was referring to past TWU negotiated contracts.  In other words, no observers allowed, and no real time updates with the TWU.  Got it now?
 
Vortilon said:
 
Pretty sure the poster was referring to past TWU negotiated contracts.  In other words, no observers allowed, and no real time updates with the TWU.  Got it now?
In the past we also didn't have as much internet access as we do today. Even your venerated AMFA didn't have the ability for real time updates that we all have today say back in the eighties.

I'm personally 50/50 on the observer idea?
 
IMO, AMFA is on the right track, but doesn't go far enough.

Picture the company negotiators walking in to a standing room only crowd quietly waiting for the show to start. What a great message that would send!
 
Kev3188 said:
IMO, AMFA is on the right track, but doesn't go far enough.
Picture the company negotiators walking in to a standing room only crowd quietly waiting for the show to start. What a great message that would send!
Exactly! :)
 
WeAAsles said:
Difficult to give negotiation updates when we are not yet in negotiations and for now the last update is that we are waiting for May 15 to see if any intervenor can get on the possible ballot.

I have said before that I do admire the updates that AMFA provides their members. Very in depth and it keeps people involved in the process and hopefully progress. Kudos for that.

But I'm also wondering what's your take on having those negotiations transparent for the entire world to view? I don't personally know how in depth the TWU Local 555 negotiations are because you have to be a member and have a sign in code to read them. I'm personally not a fan of every tid bit being exposed to the general public myself.

http://twu555.org/Negotiations/tabid/407/Default.aspx
WeAAsles, what is your take on Sean Doyle making the comment that they have sold our equity shares in question and to date  have earned 15% interest.
 
WeAAsles said:
In the past we also didn't have as much internet access as we do today. Even your venerated AMFA didn't have the ability for real time updates that we all have today say back in the eighties.

I'm personally 50/50 on the observer idea?
I thought the APFA twitter updates from the prefunding arbitration hearing were a good thing and very informative.
 
AANOTOK said:
I thought the APFA twitter updates from the prefunding arbitration hearing were a good thing and very informative.
 
Absolutely. The only issue I did have with them is how they slanted it as if they were murdering the company lawyers. "APFA Lawyer is on fire"

When you put in an opinion like that all you do is set people up for a hard fall if they don't win their case.

I would have left out the slant personally. 
 
AANOTOK said:
WeAAsles, what is your take on Sean Doyle making the comment that they have sold our equity shares in question and to date  have earned 15% interest.

What Dave Virella told me was that they sold a portion of those shares. There are still plenty locked up in AAL. Remember that hey had to satisfy the court order to protect the immediate value that could have been won if the EBO people had been successful in their suit.

I hate to say this since I have a few hundred shares of AAL myself but looking at the performance of the stock since January it appears so far that was a good move to diversify even if they didn't "have" to do it.

Dave told me all of the numbers but I didn't write then down. Not sure what month last year they did diversify (Late in the year though) but if they've earned a return of 15% so far, that's pretty good.
 

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