AMR talks about training fill-in flight attendants

[FA Mikey]

The NWA mechanics strike was over, they were either placed on the bottom of the seniority list or out on the street. I use to think the same way you do, until the NWA mechanics were replaced. I don't think that AA executives have a bigger heart then NWA executives.

I think executives can be even more ruthless. APFA knows AA well and will use that knowledge as they have in the past. They will play there adversary very carefully. In 93 with a limited threat of replacements they limited the strike duration to under the time it would take to train and replace anyone. There are other ways to play this. Add in the possibility that the pilots or the mechanics/ fleet service do even as little as work to rule there is another big wrench for AA to deal with. Both of those other unions were very helpful in the past and I now if and when the tables are turned the FA's will do what they can for them.

The greatest weapon APFA has is the arrogance of AA management. It has served us very well in the past and hasnt changed much over the years.

 

[The Goose]

... snip
KARMA, it's only a matter of time before it begins!

I've always heard Karma is (besides being a damned good Korg keyboard) nothing more than the metaphysical equivalent of Newton's Third Law (For every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction.).

Mother Nature is a bi##h - remember what happened when they fooled her with the oleo.

 

[fltguymk]

We didn't....and you are not my friend.

P.S. I certainly didn't want your seniority...i wanted MINE.

Once again this has turned into a TWA bashing AA FA's! You guys really know how to beat the "dead" horse. Whatever made you think you would walk into "our" company and get "your" seniority??? Delusional!

We did what we did and stick by it. I sleep just fine at night! I am sure 99% of us do!

AA is my third airline! Each time I started over at the "bottom!" Quite a few here already that left TWA and started "over" at AA years ago. There are very few constants in life. It is what it is.

And yes, it could happen to us tomorrow. Then so be it! It's the nature of the beast! If you want to SCAB for AA, be my guest. It will be a "pleasure" to fly with you once it all over. I will bring my scarlet letters!

Mark
BOS

 

[Maark767]

ah..."BTW"..I think you're off....off topic and off by a year...disappointed much?

Thanks for the info but the big furlough was in 2003 and with 2 years extention, I come up with 2010.
Is it 2011?? If so , can you explain.
Thanks.

 

[Maark767]

Next Nov 2011.

APFA's Attorney stated on video that the stapling was WRONG!

APFA blocked the TWA f/a's from reviewing this tape at APFA Headquarters!

Thanks for the info...

 

[BoeingBoy]

One thing everyone need to remember about a strike - the strikers put their fate in management's hands. The decision to try to make it through the strike, hope for a PEB to end the strike, or settle with the union is strictly up to the execs - and they already have their millions if the worst happens and the airline folds.

That's why I've never been a real advocate for striking. The employee group has a lot more leverage on the job than walking a picket line. That's why the FA's came up with CHAOS in my estimation - a relative few employees could make a big difference in an airlines operation while on the job, completely out of proportion to what that same number of employees could achieve on strike. Sure, some/all of those doing CHAOS could lose their job but the group has more leverage.

Jim

 

[gasman]

We didn't....and you are not my friend.

P.S. I certainly didn't want your seniority...i wanted MINE.

Once again this has turned into a TWA bashing AA FA's! You guys really know how to beat the "dead" horse. Whatever made you think you would walk into "our" company and get "your" seniority??? Delusional!

We did what we did and stick by it. I sleep just fine at night! I am sure 99% of us do!

AA is my third airline! Each time I started over at the "bottom!" Quite a few here already that left TWA and started "over" at AA years ago. There are very few constants in life. It is what it is.

And yes, it could happen to us tomorrow. Then so be it! It's the nature of the beast! If you want to SCAB for AA, be my guest. It will be a "pleasure" to fly with you once it all over. I will bring my scarlet letters!

Mark


Mark, you stated the following;
We did what we did and stick by it. I sleep just fine at night! I am sure 99% of us do!

When the TWA f/as cross your picket line they will be saying the exact same thing that you just stated.

Worked for you, then it will work for TWA f/as as well.

I have heard a TWA f/a say that the only thing the AA f/as will get back this time around that was given away back in 2003 are the TWA f/as!

You have to hand it to Laura Glading when she stated RESTORE & MORE....


RESTORE = restore the TWA f/as careers
&
MORE = more hiring off the streets

How can a Union demand to be treated fairly when they didn't even offer the same consideration to their aquired members?

 

[Hopeful]

How can a Union demand to be treated fairly when they didn't even offer the same consideration to their aquired members?

Acquired not MERGED!
As in the Kasher ruling, former TWA folks got what he deemed fair and equitable.




Time to move on!
!

 

[gasman]

Acquired not MERGED!
As in the Kasher ruling, former TWA folks got what he deemed fair and equitable.




Time to move on!
!

And the AA f/as will receive what is deemed fair and equitable from the former TWA members!

The TWA f/as were NEVER offered an arbitrator so they never received any fair treatment!

Yes, it is time to move on.....STRIKE......let the games begin!

The former TWA f/as will offer the same support that APFA has shown them!

 

[1AA]

We all know how affective the 93 strike was with management replacement flight attendants.
Too bad the other unions did not honor the strike. The spineless TWU said it was not their fight but they supported the flight attendants. How do you support them when you cross their picket line and go to work business as usual? I remember back when the pilots went on strike the company started to hand out pink slips to the AMT's. Fortunately for us the strike only lasted a very short time. Minutes I believe. We will see what happens this time around.

 

[Hopeful]

We will see what happens this time around.

The government will not allow a strike given the fragile nature of the economy.
Just remember the President can order strikers back to work, but how they work once they return is something no one has any control over.

 

[FWAAA]

You keep believing this 59 hour figure. Please use your brain. If the schedules are built at between 72-82 hours each month then who is flying the hours between 59 and 72? The flying fairy? Don't you understand that for every flight attendant that flies 40 hours there is another one that picked up those hours and is flying 120. There is no way that they build schedules at 75 hours but the average flight attendant only works 59 of those hours. The 59 hour average takes in vacation AND sick time.

Thanks for the lecture, but you missed the point. I understand the reasons behind the block hour v paid hour discrepancy, but those reasons are irrelevant to the discussion of replacement FAs in the unlikely event of a strike (and the even more unlikely attempt to replace them).

I posted the number of FAs and their average hours flown to correct aafsc's mistaken assumption that there were over 21,000 active AA FAs.

Of course the 59 hour monthly average takes into account vacation and sick time, as well as trip and duty rigs. If AA were to try to replace the FAs, the replacements would likely have very little vacation or sick time for at least the first few weeks. Trip and duty rigs and other favorable (to the FAs) work rules would likely be non-existent.

To calculate the number of bodies required to replace the AA FAs, one has to assume that they'd fly more than 59 hours a month. More likely, they'd be scheduled for 150 hours or more per month and might fly 140 of those on average, drastically reducing the number required.

 

[TWskyliner]

Acquired not MERGED!
As in the Kasher ruling, former TWA folks got what he deemed fair and equitable.




Time to move on!
!

You always throw the Kasher ruling in there.....The Kasher ruling regarded the Mechanics and Related Employees, Fleet Service Employees, Stock Clerks and Flight Simulator Technicians who did recieve somewhat more fair treatment as opposed to the flight attendants.

 

[Maark767]

And the AA f/as will receive what is deemed fair and equitable from the former TWA members!

The TWA f/as were NEVER offered an arbitrator so they never received any fair treatment!

Yes, it is time to move on.....STRIKE......let the games begin!

The former TWA f/as will offer the same support that APFA has shown them!

Maybe when AA starts to hire off the street you can apply.....

 

[SKY HIGH]

Good Luck to any and all CHAOS STRIKERS, they will be on the streets for a long time and will need to depend on APFA to get their jobs back! More CHAOS STRIKERS that walk off will be replaced by a recall of former TWA f/as!

The first CHAOS strike took place in Seattle when three flight attendants walked off an Alaska Airlines flight just before passenger boarding.[4] A notice was faxed simultaneously to the company offices announcing the CHAOS strike had begun on that particular flight. Twenty minutes later the union faxed a notice to the company explaining the strike was over and that the flight attendants offered to unconditionally return to work. Management could not decide what to do and held these flight attendants were held out of service with pay until management simply let them return to work a few weeks later.

A month later, another crew of flight attendants struck the last flight out of Las Vegas.[5] Rather than allowing these flight attendants to come back to work 30 minutes later when the intermittent strike had ended, Alaska management told this crew they were "permanently replaced", much like a traditional strike. This crew was placed on a recall list which the company was required to call from before hiring "off the street" and after about 6–8 weeks each of the flight attendants was recalled with full seniority. During the time they were out of work, they were fully supported through AFA's CHAOS strike donations with the pay they would have earned working as flight attendants.

A few weeks later, AFA struck five flights simultaneously in the San Francisco area.[6] Alaska management suspended these flight attendants and threatened to fire any other flight attendant who would participate in CHAOS strikes. This forced AFA to go to court where the union's attorneys ultimately won a preliminary injunction. In the injunction ruling the court stated the company could not threaten, discipline or fire flight attendants for engaging in intermittent strikes. The only permissible action the company could take would be to replace the flight attendants and put them on a recall list. The suspended strikers were ordered reinstated with full back pay. AFA also financially supported these strikers during the time of their suspension through the CHAOS strike donations.