AMR talks about training fill-in flight attendants

[aafsc]

You think stripping us of our seniority is the only wrong that the apfa has perpetuated on our workforce? That was only the beginning.

There goes that TWA entitlement mentality again. When APFA "stripped the TWA f/As of their seniority" they were actually following the law and protecting their dues paying members (which you were not at that time); it is called fiduciary responsibility. If that concept is foreign to you, I suggest you study it.

 

[TWskyliner]

I think this was in there somewhere too.

Finally, several events over just the past year have very vividly shown the vital role played by Flight Attendants throughout the industry in maintaining the safety and well-being of passengers. Our crews at American draw on skills gained over long careers—each with thousands of hours of in-flight experience and years of recurrent training. APFA members make difficult professional, economic and personal sacrifices every day. Its more than just dollars and cents to them. Our members are committed to protecting the integrity of this profession.

 

[Maark767]

AA has 16,500 flight attendants on payroll. Over 800 on leaves and additional 600 that will be subject to furlough by august, with additional furloughs to come with AA downsizing while expanding their AE side.

The AA f/a's will be replaced and once the strike is called off the remaining slots will be filled untill there are no more openings. This will affect the most Jr f/a's, and this time around the Jr ones will not be the TWA f/a's. The question remains, will the Jr AA f/as be willing to risk being locked out for years like the former TWA f/a's have been?

Keep in mind that the Company most likely will require cross utililzation which reduces the workforce even more.




Good Luck with your Strike/Chaos

It seems like your facts are pulled from the air ... Where do u get these numbers?? Cross utilization???
This may have happened at TWA but you wont see it happening here. Sorry to burst your bubble.

 

[TWskyliner]

It seems like your facts are pulled from the air ... Where do u get these numbers?? Cross utilization???
This may have happened at TWA but you wont see it happening here. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Walk off the job and see what "won't" happen at AA. *pop*

 

[FWAAA]

Regarding AA replacing AA flight attendants, how many do they currently have? Around 21,000? Assuming all former TWA F/As crossed, about 4400, and they were able to use 2,000 management personnel, they would still be short 14,600. Given the time it takes for the federal background checks, it would be near impossible for them to get so many replacements in such a short amount of time.

AA has about 16,000 active who fly an average of 59 hours a month. At 100 hours a month, fewer than 10,000 would be necessary for full replacement. At FAA minimums, it would take even fewer.

 

[aafsc]

I think this was in there somewhere too.

Finally, several events over just the past year have very vividly shown the vital role played by Flight Attendants throughout the industry in maintaining the safety and well-being of passengers. Our crews at American draw on skills gained over long careers—each with thousands of hours of in-flight experience and years of recurrent training. APFA members make difficult professional, economic and personal sacrifices every day. Its more than just dollars and cents to them. Our members are committed to protecting the integrity of this profession.

Basically, this is a generic statement that could fit any airlines' f/a's . Before the part you put in bold face type, it says " our crews at American"; there are a large number of nAAtive F/As that have "long careers" and "thousands of hours of in-flight experience and years of recurrent training". To think that this somehow applies only to ex-TWA F/As is quite a leap and shows desperation.

 

[TWskyliner]

Basically, this is a generic statement that could fit any airlines' f/a's . Before the part you put in bold face type, it says " our crews at American"; there are a large number of nAAtive F/As that have "long careers" and "thousands of hours of in-flight experience and years of recurrent training". To think that this somehow applies only to ex-TWA F/As is quite a leap and shows desperation.

You know what they say about desperate times.

 

[Bob Owens]

AA has about 16,000 active who fly an average of 59 hours a month. At 100 hours a month, fewer than 10,000 would be necessary for full replacement. At FAA minimums, it would take even fewer.

And how long do you think it would take to train 10,000 FAs? Probably longer than it would to burn through the billions they have in cash is my guess. You have to remember that the training facility is not geared for this, I believe its primarily set up for recurrent training with new hire classes here and there. If anything the capacity of the training center has been reduced due to the fact that they havent hired in years and the workforce has been shrinking. They couldnt do it in 1993(at the depths of the last recession, prior to 9-11 and all the extra security measures) I doubt they could do it now.

 

[MrZee]

We said the same thing in 1986.

 

[aafsc]

We didn't....and you are not my friend.

P.S. I certainly didn't want your seniority...i wanted MINE.

Having your union seniority from the other company that failed would have in effect stolen his. He, and/or thousands of other nAAtive F/As, would have been pushed down the list; way down if the TWA F/A list resembles the TWA ramp list; in effect a stapling of the nAAtives; but you knew that and it didn't happen which is why you are so bitter.

When the IAM was extinguished as your representative, so was your union seniority.

 

[TWskyliner]

Maybe a twinge of bitterness...but hey, I'm just agreeing with the apfa's expensive lawyers...you know the ones that said that what the apfa did to us was wrong?

 

[FA Mikey]

AA has about 16,000 active who fly an average of 59 hours a month. At 100 hours a month, fewer than 10,000 would be necessary for full replacement. At FAA minimums, it would take even fewer.

While that is true. A shortened training period need to get that many people also means they will have a very limited qualifications. For example being qualified on a single AC type. That would greatly multiply the number of people needed to run the operation.

 

[aafsc]

Maybe a twinge of bitterness...but hey, I'm just agreeing with the apfa's expensive lawyers...you know the ones that said that what the apfa did to us was wrong?

Source?

Then why did you ex-TWA F/As lose all your lawsuits?

 

[MrZee]

I've heard all of this before. The bottom line is that the company will figure out a way around the union. That's what they do. So enjoy your strike fellas. One more thing, when you lose your job in a strike, you don't get unemployment.

 

[gasman]

Source?

Then why did you ex-TWA F/As lose all your lawsuits?

Strike and Strike soon!