Or being briefed on BK filing!
AMR/APA might be nearing a deal!
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jimntx
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Hey, now. Even used car salesmen have some standards.
will fix for food
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DAL rates plus some? SWA rates in the future?
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Have to admit I am at a loss at what you are referring to? But I am not a pilot.
I'm not a pilot either, but the reference is to Delta's pay rates (which recently began to surpass AA's rates) and a question as to Southwest's pay rates (which have led the industry for several years).
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SFO Pilot Base NOT to close...as heard from CA tonight on inbound......rumor??
My understanding is that the bid displacement run, the first to start kicking guys out of base, was cancelled. It was supposed to run tonight.
Seriously, in the last year, this place has been devoid of leadership that has been replaced by erratic crap coming from all different directions. It's becoming almost bipolar. When I first got here years ago, it was always like facing an opponet in a boxing in the ring. You knew it was a fight and it was consistent. Now it's a birthday party with John Wayne Gacy in a clown suit.
From what I'm hearing a lot of pilots just want this thing done, and they probably will take a deal that is decent. I think everyone is sick and tired of negotiating and fighting and wants this to be over for a few years.
They haven't offered a single point that the pilots have understood as "decent". The latest "offer" on aanegotiations.com is understood as beyond ridiculous and a slap in the face after the recent flurry of statements claiming they want to close a deal.
Now we have Sue Gordon making a statement that she is worried the APA Board will reject the garbage offer and the pilots won't get to vote on it. I'd say the overwhelming opinion is that the APA Reps are not to even think of bringing a garbage offer like they did in 1996.
AA is reaping the rewards of their past behavior. The pilots won't let the APA Board pass a garbage offer for a guarantee rejection. They know it's just another AA delay tactic that could give them another 6 months to a year.The pilots are also not going to get bamboozled with last minute threats like "we're on the BK court steps". "Go ahead, file" is going to be the response. Even a Judge ordered 113C is equal or close to AA's latest offer.
Not everyone. The company is certainly not sick and tire of playing the game they
have for all these years. When they needed the concessions we got the deals
done in days. It's now what a couple of years to even put proposals out.
Sorry not holding my breath on happy conclusions to this negotiations
any time soon.
Not everyone. The company is certainly not sick and tire of playing the game they
have for all these years. When they needed the concessions we got the deals
done in days. It's now what a couple of years to even put proposals out.
Sorry not holding my breath on happy conclusions to this negotiations
any time soon.
strikeforce
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You are playing right into AA's psychological trap. They're playing the waiting game hoping that the workers become desperate.....and according to your post IT'S WORKING!! Going on 9 years, and I will hold out until the aircraft mechanics recoup full retro and full restoration of wages and benefits, otherwise it's a big fat NO!
I just don't believe management when they pound the BK threat....I say go BK and get this BS over, otherwise pay us what WE deserve and move on with righting this ship that's been sinking for 8 years and DO YOUR JOB ARPEY!!
WorldTraveler
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your point is exactly why AA has not been able to turn the ship around... if AA mgmt wanted to force a controntation with labor via the courts, they would stop refinancing their debt as it matures and allow the company to truly have no other choice than bankruptcy.
Given that the proposed new FSC contract came with cutting thousands of jobs as well as cuts in benefits for current workers that will remain, it isn't hard to see why the chances of agreements between labor and mgmt are slim.
The pilots can clearly see the same thing in their discussions which is built on the philosophy that the company will increase pay somewhat for those that remain but at the cost of increased productivity while at the same time the company will be able to reduce the number of pilots who are part of the future of the company by aggressively expanding domestic codesharing.
Given that approach to negotiations - which reflects AA's inability to cost effectively compete in the domestic marketplace and can't without significant cuts in employee costs, it isn't surprising that labor at AA is taking the tack you have expressed... stick on the current ride until it won't go any further... and if the company really becomes bankrupt, we'll deal with that issue when it arrives.
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Actually filing BK gives the company leverage... threatening cuts and then reversing them, including reversing decisions such as closing crew bases, does nothing to build a cooperative labor-mgmt relationship and just continues the rancor that has existed for years.
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If it made sense to close SFO 2 months ago, it still does today unless there is a complete agreement on the table that reduces costs to the point that AA can compete effectively.... and if that is the case, then they probably don't need unlimited domestic codesharing.
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At this point, hold AA mgmt's feet to the fire and force them to either do what they say needs to be done or figure out how to run the company with the resouces it has.
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You can't argue the company needs to be turned around and then continue to operate it as if the status quo today is acceptable.. if it doesn't work, change it.
